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Spending $3,000 should be way more fun than this

Old 04-16-12, 11:00 AM
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Spending $3,000 should be way more fun than this

I'm 6'4" 185lbs. I currently ride a 61cm Lemond Buenos Aires, but I'm looking to make my Lemond a morning 20m commuter bike and treat myself to a carbon fiber or Ti frame for my 40-60mile weekend group rides and the occasional triathlon.

I'd like something that isn't ass ugly and I'd like an Ultegra build. The notion of paying $2,x00 for 105 and Tek-tro brakes is offensive to me.

I don't have the option to test ride a bunch of stuff locally because LBSs almost never carry an XXL or XL in any carbon fiber model.

Worse, the internet turns out to be a crappy place to shop for fancy new bikes. Google shopping is mostly scam sites. Any given online retailer might have maybe one model that fits the bill.

So let's say I wanted to buy a really big Cannondale Supersix, or a Giant Defy, or a Felt AR4. How would I even get to a site that would take my money? Shopping on the internet is definitely a thing already and I can't believe this is so hard.

So far the Wilier Izoard from CC is the only model I've found that comes in my size and is spec'd out well for the money.
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/fr...ike-10539.html

I like the look of the Orca Bronze better, but it seems a bitter-sweet way to spend an extra $800.
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/fr...ike-10307.html

I saw that November Wheelhouse model, but I think their logo looks like something from Game of Thrones. I don't like the logo on the Habanero Ti roadie either. BD is kind of a sad way to spend this much money, and they're out of stock of stuff in my size anyway.

Lastly, I don't want to splurge on the fanciest bike I've ever owned only to have a plain-looking Giant, Specialized, or Fuji with some dippy accent color that I don't want.

Harrumph.
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If Ti is an option for you, I would at least call and talk to Don at Lynskey. If it doesn't work for you, no big deal. It's just a phone call. They are great to deal with, though and will answer all your questions. And the frames are made in Tennessee.

In looking at the website, the R230 with 105 is right at the budget you mentioned, but when you talk to them, ask about any upcoming promos. I know they run them from time to time. Tell them what you're looking for and see what they can do. All you can do is ask!

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Why such a low budget?
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You can't buy a Cannondale or Giant on the internet...though it seems like maybe you figured that out.

That said if you are looking at the Giant Defy Advanced 3 I think you will be very happy if you buy. I got one a few months back and I love this bike. Now I sold off all of the Ultegra components and replaced them with SRAM but that is just a preference thing. Find your Giant LBS and test ride one.
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re: Cannondales; from Mikes Bikes.

This manufacturer prohibits online sales and shipping. This item can be purchased online and picked up at any Mike's Bikes. Or if you can have someone come to a Mike's Bikes store to make the purchase, we can then ship this item to any location.
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have you considered neuvation? they get alot of praise for their wheels but ive read lots of really good reviews of their bikes also.

http://www.neuvationcycling.com/prod...ra-sl-1293.htm
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Why such a low budget?
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Wilier!
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Not knocking the big four (or three, or five), but they're like vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry ice cream. At that price point, it should be like choosing Tom & Jerry's or Haagen Dazs. Have fun with it!
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Originally Posted by boze View Post
I'm 6'4" 185lbs. I currently ride a 61cm Lemond Buenos Aires, but I'm looking to make my Lemond a morning 20m commuter bike and treat myself to a carbon fiber or Ti frame for my 40-60mile weekend group rides and the occasional triathlon.
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Harrumph.
You are in the sweet spot, in the 2-3k range, so the choices are huge, from Trek to the boutiques; have you tried talking to a Canondale or Felt dealer to order up your size (assuming desired geometry). If there is a genuine desire to buy, oftentimes, they would.

FWIW, i recently upgraded from a Lemond Reno (love it) to the Izoard XP (even more) from CC. I was looking for a 58 frame, and was pretty sure that would be an L...but after talking with the guys at CC and going over the measurements and geometry, got the XL, that fits well. And CC seems to price things fairly and are willing to deal too.
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I would get that Wilier... I love their bikes, but I second giving Lynskey a call. You wouldn't believe the deal I got!
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Originally Posted by boze View Post

I saw that November Wheelhouse model, but I think their logo looks like something from Game of Thrones.

Lastly, I don't want to splurge on the fanciest bike I've ever owned only to have a plain-looking Giant, Specialized, or Fuji with some dippy accent color that I don't want.

Harrumph.
The Wheelhouse would be my choice for your price range. It's the only option that includes carbon clinchers for under $3k. I have their RFSC38's and they are sweet! You get a Force/Rival mix stock and a Ritchey cockpit included. To hell with the logo, that's a lot of bike for the money.

Just my $.02 but I am biased seeing as I will be hopefully ordering my own this November.
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If I were spending the $3000 I would be getting my butt on some bikes and stop browsing the internet concerned with what a companies logo looks like. Maybe what I want in a bike and what you want are different things though.
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Originally Posted by therhodeo View Post
If I were spending the $3000 I would be getting my butt on some bikes and stop browsing the internet .
He answered that question

I don't have the option to test ride a bunch of stuff locally because LBSs almost never carry an XXL or XL in any carbon fiber model.
I feel the OP's pain. If you are long of leg, the bike buying experience is COMPLETELY different than that of you 20-80 percentile folks. I have never been in a shop with a 62 or bigger frame. Also, they are not too keen on ordering one for stock unless you are committed to buy. Which brings you right back to the starting point, nothing to test ride.
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I'll remember that when a test ride isn't possible that you're supposed to go on the look of bikes logo.
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Originally Posted by Padley View Post
The Wheelhouse would be my choice for your price range. It's the only option that includes carbon clinchers for under $3k. I have their RFSC38's and they are sweet! You get a Force/Rival mix stock and a Ritchey cockpit included. To hell with the logo, that's a lot of bike for the money.

Just my $.02 but I am biased seeing as I will be hopefully ordering my own this November.
That is a sweet looking ride. Love the all black look with white tape and saddle.
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Thanks, guys!

Yeah, thanks for getting my back Onevoice. In terms of my champagne problems ugly logos take a back seat to the whole "too tall to find anything to test ride" thing.

Garciawork,
The Lynskey suggestion is a good one. I love the idea of dealing personally with such a well-respected builder! That certainly mitigates the whole "I'm spending a ton of money and still feel like a second-class citizen shopping for bikes that were burped out of some factory in Thailand" effect. However, I worry with the Lynskeys that they are actually more like $3500-$4500 bikes. Going through the config page on their site, they ding you for 105 brakes (+75), 105 crankset (+150), and assembly (+$150). That's $3400 for a ti frame with 105. I also have a preference for classic geometry, which could push me toward a Habanero with Ultegra for $2,900. That said, I'd be curious about the details of the deal you got. =) The real problem with Lynskey is getting a traditional tubeset after you've seen pix of that Helix frame! Fredzo!

Padley,
I know you love those carbon clinchers! Seriously though, I might have to give November another look. I'm not in love with the idea of switching to SRAM to cut cost, although I've only ever tested Rival, not Force or Red. On the bright side, I didn't realize November Cycles was in Maryland. I live in DC! That alone could be reason enough to go with them. Another thing I like about their bikes is that the largest size has a 60.5cm TT. I wonder if they'd let me come out to the hallowed ground of yon Kensington shoppe and ride a "Size 8". Forsooth!!

Pdxtex,
Wow! That Neuvation you linked was out of stock, but they have the same big 61cm frame with Ultegra Di2 and upgraded 1510g aero wheels for $2,590. That's a very attractive build! I also liked the narrative description of how the guy does business, although opinions vary here. You even have the option for no decals. =) Thanks for suggesting Neuvation! Anybody here bought or ridden this bike?

To sum up, I think between these three options and the Wilier Izoard I'm in pretty good shape. I wish Lynskey and November could afford to give me Ultegra for somewhere between $2,500 and $3,000 like Wilier and Neuvation.
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You stay classy, Therhodeo.
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Hmm the Neuvation frame appears to be made from 3 separate pieces:
http://www.neuvationcycling.com/merc...NCFrameset.jpg
I guess with the nice wheels and super fancy Di2 group the savings has to come from somewhere.
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Screw the November...you'll be on a wait list and have a 1 or 2 year warranty vs lifetime with the better known brands.
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Originally Posted by boze View Post
Garciawork,
The Lynskey suggestion is a good one. I love the idea of dealing personally with such a well-respected builder! That certainly mitigates the whole "I'm spending a ton of money and still feel like a second-class citizen shopping for bikes that were burped out of some factory in Thailand" effect. However, I worry with the Lynskeys that they are actually more like $3500-$4500 bikes. Going through the config page on their site, they ding you for 105 brakes (+75), 105 crankset (+150), and assembly (+$150). That's $3400 for a ti frame with 105. I also have a preference for classic geometry, which could push me toward a Habanero with Ultegra for $2,900. That said, I'd be curious about the details of the deal you got. =) The real problem with Lynskey is getting a traditional tubeset after you've seen pix of that Helix frame! Fredzo!
I'd love to hear more about the deal, too....then again....maybe not!

On certain holidays, Lynskey runs a "make us say no" deal. You throw them ridiculous offers, there is some negotiation, some people get great deals. I don't know of any coming up, however, like I said, it's just a phone call. Like asking advice here, give Don a call. Talk to him. There is no obligation and I assure you, you'll end up learning something. What can that hurt? Heck, tell him your budget. Make him say no!

Have you looked at their YouTube channel? I was debating between the Cooper and R230. They have a video that clearly demonstrates the difference. Made me realize the R230 was what I was looking for.

Ti's and Lynskeys aren't for everyone. I get that. But I'm convinced it's exactly what I was looking for and I can't wait to get mine!
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You stay classy, Therhodeo.
I'll do my best if you promise to stay vain.
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Blurg.

Yeah, a short warranty on a carbon frame is definitely a sketchy combination.

I don't suppose you count Neuvation among the better known brands, do you? :: sigh ::
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Go to REI and buy an ultegra equipped caad10 for $2200 or whatever, spend the rest on better wheels and cockpit parts IMO
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62 or 64cm Trek Madone 5.2 RRP $3600 or Specialized Roubaix Elite or Comp $2750-3300. Minus whatever deal you negotiate with you LBS. Take the measures from your current rig to get the fit right. You still won't get to ride either prior ordering though.
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