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Does anyone use a rear blinker during the day?

Old 04-21-12, 07:05 AM
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Old 04-21-12, 07:11 AM
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I was running in the park last week and three bikes came up behind me and they were talking about their light on the back.As they were ahead of me and approaching a curve i could see two bikes had blinking lights and i could barely see the bike in the middle which did not have a light. The bike in the middle blended in with the road and the surroundings.I never gave getting a light a thought until i saw that.
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Old 04-21-12, 07:25 AM
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I use strobes front a rear on every ride nite or day. My reasoning is I want to increase my visibility distance. meaning yes, I know the drivers can see me when I'm close but I want them to see me well in advance so that they can better plan their approach and pass safely for me and for themselves.

In addition, and this is important, during sunny days there are deep shadows under trees and people are wearing sunglasses. Even if they aren't wearing sunglasses, their pupils are constricted due to the bright sunshine. Thus when you enter the shaded areas you disappear. That is if you don't have a strobe.

Also, the front strobe provides an important visibility tool when riding fast through intersections where you have the right of way. Entering cars are looking for other cars, if you're on the shoulder w/o a strobe and they don't see another car they are more likely not to stop and just roll into your line of travel. I try to approach such intersections more into the lane. This road position plus the strobe gets these drivers to stop their car. It's amazing how few people actually stop their car when they are supposed to.

Yes, I do wear hi-vis elements but they are useless in deep shadow on sunny days.

Do I feel a bit conspicuous on straight roads without shade, yeah, a little, but I know that around the bend could be an intersection and my strobes will provide the driver courtesy I want to stay alive. It's not just a convenience thing, it's life and death.

On long rides near the beach in bright sun, or on a bike path I will turn off my strobes.

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Old 04-21-12, 07:33 AM
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Use a planet bike's super-flash blinkie ALL the time and don't give a rat's ass what other roadies think about it. I know plenty of guys which bike much more than I do (I assume about 4k a year) and always have lights. **** poseurs!
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Old 04-21-12, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
I use strobes front a rear on every ride nite or day. My reasoning is I want to increase my visibility distance. meaning yes, I know the drivers can see me when I'm close but I want them to see me well in advance so that they can better plan their approach and pass safely for me and for themselves.

Also, the front strobe provides an important visibility tool when riding fast through intersections where you have the right of way. Entering cars are looking for other cars, if you're on the shoulder w/o a strobe and they don't see another car they are more likely not to stop and just roll into your line of travel. I try to approach such intersections more into the lane. This road position plus the strobe gets these drivers to stop their car. It's amazing how few people actually stop their car when they are supposed to.
I had this happen to me - I was 10 yards behind a car, in the middle of the lane, going through an intersection at about 20mph, and a car turned left in front of me. Long story short, I avoided an accident, the driver stopped to apologize and said she didn't see me. Since putting front lights on all my bikes, it seems like drivers are much more aware of me.
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Old 04-21-12, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ricanfred View Post
Use a planet bike's super-flash blinkie ALL the time and don't give a rat's ass what other roadies think about it. I know plenty of guys which bike much more than I do (I assume about 4k a year) and always have lights. **** poseurs!
Yes! If you are not racing in a crit or some stage race, click the damn thing one. I do all the time. Cars DO see you and it is easy to get under the trees during the day and you are not as visible as you might think that you are. Many motorists are driving while talking on their *$^* phone, texting, tuning the radio, playing with the GPS, looking out the window. If you give them 1 second's worth of time to quickly notice you, why the hell not? It is only battery replacement every how often???
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Old 04-21-12, 09:30 AM
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Always. Even during the brightest day, if a driver has on sunglasses and you ride into a dark shadow, it can be hard to see you. Even in bright sun a cyclist can blend into the background.

Anything you can do to be seen is an improvement. It also helps to be seen a long way away. A good daylight bright tail light is the only thing that can do that a long way back during the day. If you buy a cheapie you might be sorry. Be sure to set the light straight and level. Then walk away from you bike in the day light to see how it works. Even better have someone ride your bike away while you watch. Even better than that, sit in a car when it happens
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Old 04-21-12, 10:19 AM
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On the topic of cars giving you more room. The idea that cars give you more room if you look more competent on the bike (helmet, obeying traffic laws, etc.) has been researched and somewhat debunked. I don't have his research on hand but Ian Walker has done some testing to see in what situations cars gave him more room on the road. I also think he has some stuff out there about cars giving cyclists less room when there is a dedicated cycling lane.

Not trying to tell anyone to not wear a helmet, obey the laws, use a blinkie etc. But just remember that it isn't always a direct relationship to getting more respect from motorists.

P.s. I use the flea but less during daylight rides. More as it approaches dusk or at night. And even then I try to stay on trails rather than the road at those times of day.
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Old 04-21-12, 01:01 PM
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Superflash clipped to center jersey pocket.
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Old 04-21-12, 01:19 PM
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Every time I ride - Planet Bike and rear facing helmet blinkies in the back, and a Cygolite Expillion in random blink mode up front, plus bright colored jersey/shirt. My philosophy is that if I'm ever hit by a car, "But I just didn't see him!" won't be any kind of excuse.
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Old 04-21-12, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
I use mine quite a bit, and it's mounted on my bike just below my seat bag. Call me a fred all you want; I got hit by a semi on a bicycle in October and I lived to tell about it, so whoever thinks I ought not have a blinking light can kiss my ass.
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Old 04-21-12, 02:54 PM
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I liked that post too.

I hated the first seatbag I had because it would swing around and stuff would clunk inside. Now I have a small ortlieb waterproof seat bag that clips on very securely, doesn't move, and nothing moves inside due to the way it closes (and the amount of **** I have stuffed in it ). Also, everything in the bag is extra stuff so I never need to open it to get out a tool, tube, patch kit etc when I'm at home. Avoiding the load/unload cycle with a seatbag helps make sure you don't get annoyed with it, and that things are in it when you need them for a repair, etc.

I use a cheap princeton tec blinky on the street. I'm positive it is helping, but of course, some drivers just don't pay attention and others think it's fine to pass you with 1 foot clearance. I'm not real motivated to get get a high-lumen expensive taillight, though.


I really couldn't care less if anyone thinks it is fredly. A blinkie is such a trivial thing to do that just might make a difference, and the consequences of being hit can be very high.
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Old 04-21-12, 03:48 PM
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I've got a Blackburn Flea front and back.

I think the front light is more important than the rear to alert turning drivers and cross traffic.

Plus my regular routes feature long straight roads through heavy tree canopy so even on sunny, clear days I can be riding in shadow.

And I started using the blinkie after seeing a rider using one while I was driving.
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Originally Posted by banerjek View Post
Not your imagination. Drivers treat you with more respect when they feel like you know what you're doing. I've had a few drivers tell me as much.
I wonder why that is? I would think a cyclist without helmet or a flashing light potentially is less experienced and predictable, so I would think they would pass those with more care. My own theory is that by being more visible, they have more time to move out of the way.

My MIL bought me a light set for my birthday, inlcuding a NightRider Cherrybomb tail light. Very bright, almost blinding at short distances. I think that one is going on the tandem.
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I always use a rear blinky, day or night, unless I forget. I need to be more vigilant with the front ones in the daytime, though.
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Old 04-21-12, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by vandalarchitect View Post
On the topic of cars giving you more room. The idea that cars give you more room if you look more competent on the bike (helmet, obeying traffic laws, etc.) has been researched and somewhat debunked. I don't have his research on hand but Ian Walker has done some testing to see in what situations cars gave him more room on the road. I also think he has some stuff out there about cars giving cyclists less room when there is a dedicated cycling lane.

Not trying to tell anyone to not wear a helmet, obey the laws, use a blinkie etc. But just remember that it isn't always a direct relationship to getting more respect from motorists.
Interesting... But a quantifiable level of "respect" by drivers is largely irrelevant, to me at least.

I don't really care about what they're thinking, all I care about is whether they see me. That's all I can control. (Oh and certain traffic lights, apparently )
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Originally Posted by Yo Spiff View Post
I wonder why that is? I would think a cyclist without helmet or a flashing light potentially is less experienced and predictable, so I would think they would pass those with more care. My own theory is that by being more visible, they have more time to move out of the way.
I think that is basic gist of Ian Walker's research on it. A disclaimer though, I don't think he ever did anything with lights, just helmets and wigs (to look like a woman, duh) and maybe clothing. With lights however, I'd agree that if they see you they probably give you more room. Another disclaimer, I believe his research was done in the UK, so it might be totally wrong in the USA.
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I'll take any advantage to avoid getting hit from behind. I use a planet day or night.
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If I'm on my bike, the blinkie is on. Just and added precaution in case drivers miss a 6 foot 215 pound guy in a bright red or hi-vis green or blue jersey,
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When I ride on a highway without shoulders I add a daytime visible tail light to my already hi vis appearance. Hi vis meaning meaning neon lime the only truly effective attention getting color. Getting attention of the drivers, truckers especially a second or two quicker can be huge.

Like many have said, don't fool yourself into thinking your tail light is daytime visible from any distance. There's a short list of effective lights and one in particular that many prefer, I would never use as a primary light. I won't say the name so I don't offend.

Can anybody guess?

btw, when you add poor aiming to the equation, it really is ineffective.
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Originally Posted by billallbritten View Post
Superflash clipped to center jersey pocket.
I rode right up to one of the LBS's owners in daylight conditions, and was within conversation range before I noticed that he had a SuperFlash Turbo clipped to his jersey pocket. Aim is critical, along with fresh batteries. Hard-mount it to the seatpost and make sure the core of the beam is aiming right where it needs to go, that's my advice.
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that's my advice.
many of us have listened to this gentleman's advice over the years and we're all much safer and smarter for it. Visit his site, that's my advice.
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Originally Posted by mechBgon View Post
I rode right up to one of the LBS's owners in daylight conditions, and was within conversation range before I noticed that he had a SuperFlash Turbo clipped to his jersey pocket. Aim is critical, along with fresh batteries. Hard-mount it to the seatpost and make sure the core of the beam is aiming right where it needs to go, that's my advice.
What ever happened to the one you made?

Was the shop owner doing some kind of test?

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