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Old 05-30-12, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AdelaaR View Post
That just cracked me up

I eat food. Healthy food.
That means having multiple extremely fresh vegetables a meal ... sometimes up to 10 or even more ... and only eating meat occasionally.

why do you eat only meat occasionally? Eating healthy means you have good amounts of protein in every meal. By leaving out meat like chicken, pork, beef, turkey and fish you are missing out on a ton of protein, branch chain amino acids and fats that your body needs.
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Beer Sierra Nevada Torpedo Ale, donuts, peanut butter ice cream, in addition to just regular food.
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Old 05-30-12, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jfitalia View Post
By leaving out meat like chicken, pork, beef, turkey and fish you are missing out on a ton of protein, branch chain amino acids and fats that your body needs.
I believe eating meat every day isn't healthy as it contains too much saturated fats. On top of that it contains all kinds of industrial doping-stuff I don't even want to know about.
Some guy 15 years ago tried to rid the Belgian meat-market of illegal additives ... he got shot in the stomach with a shotgun.

When I eat vegetables, I eat them in huge amounts and I like to eat the ones with a lot of protein like brussels sprouts, brocolli, cauliflower, etc ... and I like to eat them with beans or grains.
There are also a lot of iron-rich vegetables btw.

A revealing read on proteins: https://michaelbluejay.com/veg/protein.html
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Good thing there are zero chemicals used in growing of vegetables for human consumption.
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Originally Posted by AdelaaR View Post
I believe eating meat every day isn't healthy as it contains too much saturated fats. On top of that it contains all kinds of industrial doping-stuff I don't even want to know about.
Some guy 15 years ago tried to rid the Belgian meat-market of illegal additives ... he got shot in the stomach with a shotgun.

When I eat vegetables, I eat them in huge amounts and I like to eat the ones with a lot of protein like brussels sprouts, brocolli, cauliflower, etc ... and I like to eat them with beans or grains.
There are also a lot of iron-rich vegetables btw.

A revealing read on proteins: https://michaelbluejay.com/veg/protein.html


What meat are you referring to with high saturated fats? I can understand that with most cuts of beef and pork but not chicken breasts and turkey? I'll take my 24 grams of protein from a skinless chicken breast over eating a cup of broccoli that has 9 grams of fat. Do you actually count your calories or just believe what people tell you about meat? By the way a skinless chicken breast has 3 grams of saturated fat. People don't get fat by eating fat, they get fat by consuming to many calories
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I eat the souls of those whom I crush with my massive guads as the hamer is droped on them.
I have never seen a hamer, how does one drope it with guads?
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Originally Posted by therhodeo View Post
Good thing there are zero chemicals used in growing of vegetables for human consumption.
The ones I eat are grown completely biologically on nearby farms.
I do like to eat meat from time to time too you know, but not too much ... maybe once a month to keep my B12 levels up
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Originally Posted by deacon mark View Post
Beer Sierra Nevada Torpedo Ale, donuts, peanut butter ice cream, in addition to just regular food.
+1
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Originally Posted by rearviewbeer View Post
I have never seen a hamer, how does one drope it with guads?
If you stick around ... you'll get it.
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Originally Posted by Jfitalia View Post
Do you actually count your calories
No.
I have always eaten whatever I liked and in the quantities I liked.
This approach has, until now, always kept my BMI at perfectly healthy level.
I'm probably lucky that I can live this way
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Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
there is a nutrition forum.
+1

https://www.bikeforums.net/forumdispl...-amp-Nutrition
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Old 05-30-12, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jfitalia View Post
why do you eat only meat occasionally? Eating healthy means you have good amounts of protein in every meal. By leaving out meat like chicken, pork, beef, turkey and fish you are missing out on a ton of protein, branch chain amino acids and fats that your body needs.
A very large study on diet and health claims that eating proteins from animals is very dangerous to your health:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study_(book)
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I've been a personal trainer for 18 years. Creatine works for power, and the addition of lean tissue. But the most important factor is recovery. Real food first, don't forget good fats, (coconut oil, avocados, etc,) and I use whey protein for recovery purposes as well. Add a scoop of L-Glutamine (an amino acid that aids in recovery.) To ride better, you need to recover better.
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Originally Posted by AdelaaR View Post
A very large study on diet and health claims that eating proteins from animals is very dangerous to your health:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study_(book)
Bad science. The China study has been picked apart so many times it's laughable. I don't want to ruffle any vegan feathers, if that's what you're into cool. But I consume a great deal of grass-fed beef, free range pork, chicken, and eggs. Add in some vegetables, good healthy fats, vegetable based carbs (yams etc.) and leave alone the flour based carbs, gluten based carbs, and sugars. This will lean you out and keep performance high. I'm 43, perfect health markers, low cholesterol, single digits body fat, and perform pretty darn well on the bike. But hey that's just me. I won't argue nutrition... I'm just throwing this out for what it's worth. Take it or leave it.
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Originally Posted by lung View Post
Bad science. The China study has been picked apart so many times it's laughable. I don't want to ruffle any vegan feathers, if that's what you're into cool. But I consume a great deal of grass-fed beef, free range pork, chicken, and eggs. Add in some vegetables, good healthy fats, vegetable based carbs (yams etc.) and leave alone the flour based carbs, gluten based carbs, and sugars. This will lean you out and keep performance high. I'm 43, perfect health markers, low cholesterol, single digits body fat, and perform pretty darn well on the bike. But hey that's just me. I won't argue nutrition... I'm just throwing this out for what it's worth. Take it or leave it.
yeah, I'm in the eat-less-meat camp, but I think the China study is very flawed. I believe there may be something to the meat and cancer connection, but that is far from proven. I find, for me, its way easier to consume way too many calories when I eat more meat, and its way too easy to neglect more nutritious vegetables high in micronutrients and fiber. The protein in meat is easily replaced, and those replacements often include additional nutrients you cant find in meat. I'm not a vegan - I think we humans are marvelously adapted omnivores (we have two completely different modes of metabolism, how cool is that?), but I think most of us in the US grew up eating way too much meat and not enough veggies.
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Nope, I just don't see much point in it. Having healthy eating habits will generally take care of all the needs of your average cyclist. Few of us need as many supplements or vitamins that is out there. There are some who may, due to diet or body deficiencies, but as a whole most people do not if they just eat healthy.
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Bad science. The China study has been picked apart so many times it's laughable. I don't want to ruffle any vegan feathers, if that's what you're into cool. But I consume a great deal of grass-fed beef, free range pork, chicken, and eggs. Add in some vegetables, good healthy fats, vegetable based carbs (yams etc.) and leave alone the flour based carbs, gluten based carbs, and sugars. This will lean you out and keep performance high. I'm 43, perfect health markers, low cholesterol, single digits body fat, and perform pretty darn well on the bike. But hey that's just me. I won't argue nutrition... I'm just throwing this out for what it's worth. Take it or leave it.


^ this right here. I love it when someone actually knows about nutrition.
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Originally Posted by AdelaaR View Post
No.
I have always eaten whatever I liked and in the quantities I liked.
This approach has, until now, always kept my BMI at perfectly healthy level.
I'm probably lucky that I can live this way
BMI is a joke and is not a true factor for how fit and healthy you are. There are plenty of people that are considered fat based on BMI however they are ripped with less than 10% body fat. All BMI does is take into consideration your height and then guesses on how much you should weigh
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Personally when gearing up for a lot of miles I like , egg whites, lean chicken for protein, good quality carbs, two 100% Multi-vitamins per day. While riding lots of water and sports drinks to refill the hydration pack when I am out of water on the longer rides. Also something to munch on while out on the longer rides. Gels and I don't get along for some reason. For recovery, rest, hydration, stretching after the ride to help with any tightness in the legs, back etc. . . . Maybe a light leg massage and then sit still for an hour or so--I dig a little post-ride nap, but I'm getting old.
I'm not into all those supplements-your body didn't need them when you were growing, so why do you need them now? Placebo effect can be powerful though and everybody has their system that they like.
For me I guess I prefer the simple things--meaning I'm too cheap to pay for supplements (haha)
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Been using Jack3d for a while now and it's been awesome. It's banned in Canada but there are "channels" to get them (thank god)

I tried Joe Rogan's ShroomTechSport. It's Cordyceps based that Chinese athletes apparently used in the Olympics. I honestly (after 9 servings) think it's BS. It's pretty expensive at 10 servings @ $30. You can't really tell if something's worked in 10 days. They do have a money back guarantee so I'll be asking for that refund soon.

I've been a personal trainer for 18 years. Creatine works for power, and the addition of lean tissue. But the most important factor is recovery. Real food first, don't forget good fats, (coconut oil, avocados, etc,) and I use whey protein for recovery purposes as well. Add a scoop of L-Glutamine (an amino acid that aids in recovery.) To ride better, you need to recover better.
I started taking Glutamine about 4 years ago and I swear by it. I just feel better and I don't feel haggard hours after my workouts.

My post w/o/ride drink is basically a scoop of protein/glutamine/creatine and carbs.

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I personally load up my jersey with taco bell
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Creatine, caffeine, and aspirin are about the only legal things that have been proven to give any sort of boost.

3-4 weeks before a big event I start taking creatine. During a ride I'll take caffeine and if my back hurts, aspirin.

When I'm done, I eat food and drink fluid.
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Originally Posted by Jfitalia View Post
why do you eat only meat occasionally? Eating healthy means you have good amounts of protein in every meal. By leaving out meat like chicken, pork, beef, turkey and fish you are missing out on a ton of protein, branch chain amino acids and fats that your body needs.


You do realise that there are plenty of sources of non-animal based foods that are considered complete protein sources? You do not have to eat meat. For example, I eat quinoa every single day, which is 18% protein (beef and chicken is about 24ish%)
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Originally Posted by lung View Post
Bad science. The China study has been picked apart so many times it's laughable. I don't want to ruffle any vegan feathers, if that's what you're into cool. But I consume a great deal of grass-fed beef, free range pork, chicken, and eggs. Add in some vegetables, good healthy fats, vegetable based carbs (yams etc.) and leave alone the flour based carbs, gluten based carbs, and sugars. This will lean you out and keep performance high. I'm 43, perfect health markers, low cholesterol, single digits body fat, and perform pretty darn well on the bike. But hey that's just me. I won't argue nutrition... I'm just throwing this out for what it's worth. Take it or leave it.
I don't know when or how the China study has been picked apart, but I can easily find studies from all over the world, published within the last 5-10 years, linking red meat to the increased risk of type 2 diabetes, a number of cancers, and, more generally, dying.

More importantly, reasons why red meat appears bad in many (though not all) studies are not fully understood, but I don't think that any serious scholars ever argue any more that red meat has benefits. At worst, it's harmful, at best, it's irrelevant. There are no good reasons to eat it.
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I just recently started using ViSalus products as part of their "90-day challenge."

I've seen pretty amazing improvements in not just performance on the bike, but just daily living as well and really loving it!

www.edisme.bodybyvi.com <- if you're interested
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