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New dura-ace 11spd.

Old 05-31-12, 09:50 AM
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New dura-ace 11spd.

More info here: www.dura-ace.com

Official announcement in a few hours.

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Old 05-31-12, 10:01 AM
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Looks like Dura Ace DI2 side is going to use same wiring as Ultegra Di2. Definitely interesting! Wonder if current shimano hub can be used for 11 Speed?
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Right on schedule, four years after Campy. Just like 10 speed.
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Great. I look forward to more expensive and less reliable stuff that offers no real advantage working its way down the pipeline.
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post
Right on schedule, four years after Campy. Just like 10 speed.
Right, but I bet you dollar to donuts that Dura-Ace 11-Speed is gonna be infinitely more reliable than Campy's 11-Speed
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Is it just me or is the FC-7700 the last good looking DA crank?
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Old 05-31-12, 10:25 AM
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that crankset is so ugly, and I'm a shimano guy.
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Originally Posted by RiDE View Post
Is it just me or is the FC-7700 the last good looking DA crank?
Personally, I thought the 7800 was the best looking DA crank.



EDIT: When DA11 gets mainstream, I think I'm gonna start hoarding DA7800 parts.
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that crankset is so ugly, and I'm a shimano guy.
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Lopsided ugly-ass crank.
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Right, but I bet you dollar to donuts that Dura-Ace 11-Speed is gonna be infinitely more reliable than Campy's 11-Speed
There have been problems with Campy 11 ? I read plenty of posts here saying it shifts better than Campy 10.
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Originally Posted by bored117 View Post
Looks like Dura Ace DI2 side is going to use same wiring as Ultegra Di2. Definitely interesting! Wonder if current shimano hub can be used for 11 Speed?
There's no reason they couldn't just reprogram the same hardware for the spacing of 11-speed cogs (or anything, really). When's somebody going to jailbreak this stuff for old bikes?
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Originally Posted by bored117 View Post
Looks like Dura Ace DI2 side is going to use same wiring as Ultegra Di2. Definitely interesting! Wonder if current shimano hub can be used for 11 Speed?
The old 10 speed hub will not be compatible with 11 speed, from what I've read. There's not enough cassette body length for 11 cogs.

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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post
Right on schedule, four years after Campy. Just like 10 speed.
Obviously, coming to market later means that Shimano's product will suck.

What I mean is, huh? So what? Shimano's sales sure haven't suffered because they took a few more years to add a cog.
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Originally Posted by Jed19 View Post
Right, but I bet you dollar to donuts that Dura-Ace 11-Speed is gonna be infinitely more reliable than Campy's 11-Speed
Campy 11 speed has proven to be totally reliable. That would be quite a feat.
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Right, but I bet you dollar to donuts that Dura-Ace 11-Speed is gonna be infinitely more reliable than Campy's 11-Speed
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Anyway, I could give a crap about one more cog, but the hood shape looks like a HUGE improvement. I might go 11-speed next year for the better shape and smaller size alone. I'll have to check them out in person once my shop has some in stock, but they look much more comfortable.
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Obviously, coming to market later means that Shimano's product will suck.

What I mean is, huh? So what? Shimano's sales sure haven't suffered because they took a few more years to add a cog.
The product should be good, with four years to develop it. Shimano fans are usually the ones to point out how Shimano was the first to have integrated brake/shift levers. A lot of them think that Shimano 10 speed was the first to the market and somehow the "standard".

Sales comparisons are silly. Shimano is a huge producer compared to Campy. Campy sells everything they can make and apparently have no desire to greatly expand their total output.
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I've read all the articles lately on DA11 and I'm still unclear on one thing. Will I be able to swap a 11 speed freehub body onto my existing 10 speed wheels? I own Shimano C24's that are all of four months old. I would love to make the jump to 11 but not with the added cost of new wheels that may have to come with it. That's a whole lot of money to spend for just one extra cog.
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I just realized that all the info for both mechanical and Di2 groups is on their website. Looks like the new hub is Shimano proprietary and 11-speed only. The shallow spline design lives on. Not a smart move on Shimano's part, IMO.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
There's no reason they couldn't just reprogram the same hardware for the spacing of 11-speed cogs (or anything, really). When's somebody going to jailbreak this stuff for old bikes?
LOL...while you are at it, bluetooth enable it so it talks to iOS and you can just bark into your phone 'Upshift', and it'll be done. Look ma, no shifters!

And what is this about on the Di2 RDs "And automatic crash protection moves the cage out of harm's way" . How does that happen? Electronic or Mechanical?
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Originally Posted by VeeDubOne View Post
LOL...while you are at it, bluetooth enable it so it talks to iOS and you can just bark into your phone 'Upshift', and it'll be done. Look ma, no shifters!

And what is this about on the Di2 RDs "And automatic crash protection moves the cage out of harm's way" . How does that happen? Electronic or Mechanical?
Supposedly, the RD linkage will decouple from the motor during a crash. This is supposed to protect it during a crash.
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I can barely use the 10x2 I've got effectively yet!!! adding another cog? pfft call me when it hits tiagra and I might be good enough by then to warrant it... LOL
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post
The product should be good, with four years to develop it. Shimano fans are usually the ones to point out how Shimano was the first to have integrated brake/shift levers. A lot of them think that Shimano 10 speed was the first to the market and somehow the "standard".

Sales comparisons are silly. Shimano is a huge producer compared to Campy. Campy sells everything they can make and apparently have no desire to greatly expand their total output.
As you say, the product is very likely going to be of excellent quality, which is why I thought the sniping about coming to market later was odd. Not offensive to me or anything, I just don't get the point. As you allude to by pointing out that comparing sales between the two companies is silly, they have very different business models. Campagnolo really needs to be first out with the latest and greatest, if they can help it, because that's their only game.

Anyway, Campy 11-speed works great, and I'm sure that Shimano's product will, too. And, weirdly, I think that the nicest upgrade for each group may be the same thing: better-designed, more comfortable brake hoods. Go figure.
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LOL...while you are at it, bluetooth enable it so it talks to iOS and you can just bark into your phone 'Upshift', and it'll be done. Look ma, no shifters!
Talk to it? We already have videogames that you can play with your mind. It's coming.
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you guys are crazy...that crank is sexy in an odd way...the Di2 looks super sexy
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