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Campy veloce questions, all generations of 10 speed.

Old 06-02-12, 10:00 PM
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Campy veloce questions, all generations of 10 speed.

So today I finally road my first campy bike. Colagno stupid expensive carbon bike but it had veloce on it.

Instant love, I've riden SRAM apex, rival, shimano 105/ultegra. The low line veloce blew it away. I don't mean this in a flame war way. Just the hood design, shifter positions, ect. Everything felt amazing and is definitely what I want.

Here's the part I question.

1. As one of the absolute coolest things with the veloce system was that both shifting up and down the rear cog I could do deep lever depressions and shift multiple gears with one depression depending how far and how many clicks I pushed through. Hooked me big time.

Does this transfer into the older systems? I know veloce 10 speed was somewhere in the early/mid 2000s but has this feature always been there or will I need to buy the newest rendition to get this.

2. The hood handgrips changed? I like it again specifically because the grips and ergonomics was just perfect for me, it looses out if a bike from 2005 is different than the 2011( I assume) Colagno I road.

If its not apparent, I ask this because I can't afford new, I'm looking at getting early/mid 2000s series bike of eBay ect. Veloce/centaur likely, not much chorus pops up in my range.

Appreciate any feedback thank you!
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I have campy 8spd ergo levers from 1990's and they did it back then. Also all "Colagnos" are stupid. Next time get a "Colnago"
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In 2007 (and 2008) Veloce included something called the escape mechanism. Basically this prevented multiple downshifts with 1 sweep but still allowed multiple upshifts. That said, I have a 2007 Veloce groupset on my Road bike, and while it does suck to have that "feature" its so good it doesn't matter. I like it better than the Dura Ace setup on my race bike that was 3 times the price.

2007 and forward also were all ultratorque, basically no traditional bottom bracket - instead a 2 piece crankset with outboard bearings. I love the stability feeling this gives.
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So that would indicate that whatever I road must have actually been pre-2007!? Or have they recently brought full functionality back for 2012?

Basially sounds like I need to stay to any 10 speed before 2007 yes? Because multiple 1 push shifts for up and down both directions is amazing to me.

Hmm, more research also tells me the hoods ere changed for 2009+? I thought the newer style hoods are fantastic is it possible to swap pre-2009 stuff to the new style?

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Originally Posted by cazten View Post
So that would indicate that whatever I road must have actually been pre-2007!? Or have they recently brought full functionality back for 2012?

Basially sounds like I need to stay to any 10 speed before 2007 yes? Because multiple 1 push shifts for up and down both directions is amazing to me.

Hmm, more research also tells me the hoods ere changed for 2009+? I thought the newer style hoods are fantastic is it possible to swap pre-2009 stuff to the new style?
Basically you need to avoid 2007 and 2008 groupsets unless you don't mind the downshift issue. 2006 and earlier and 2009 or later work the way you want.

As for the hood I don't know, but the hoods on my 2007 set are great and way better than any Shimano. Take a look at pics online like on ebay or google images I'm sure you can probably see the difference.
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Escape is single upshift (thumb lever), multiple downshift (long paddle).
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You should just forget about the pre-2009 stuff, because repair parts are not that well supported. If you want mutiple shifts from the thumb button, stick with current 11 speed and use Chorus shifters. Athena shifters don't have multiple shifts to smaller cogs (with the thumb button). Athena 11 parts are the least expensive and will work with the Chorus (or higher level) shifters.

You can't do any swapping of part from older shifters to the 2009+ ultrashift models. The 2009+ hoods are the most comfortable that Campy has ever made, so there's no reason to covet those old hoods anyway.

Unfortunately, unless you can find some 2010 model Centaur or Veloce ultrashift levers, you won't get multiple shifts to smaller cogs with Campy's current 10 speed offerings. That's one of the ways that they push consumers toward the higher level parts.
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Hmm what a drag, cause I really can't afford the new stuff. I can get an entire bike a few years used for the price of even a new veloce 2011 system.
seems like the worst time to get into campy as a new budget rider lol, all the swaps just happened, hoods and 11 speed.

On a side note, why is it u can't swap old stuff to the 2009 style for shifters to get the new hood style? All here doing is pulling wire yes? Does it require the re designed 2009+ derailuers?

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Originally Posted by cazten View Post
Hmm what a drag, cause I really can't afford the new stuff.
You might want to look at one of the UK online sites like Pro Bike Kit or Ribble for Campy stuff.
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Originally Posted by cazten View Post
Hmm what a drag, cause I really can't afford the new stuff. I can get an entire bike a few years used for the price of even a new veloce 2011 system.
seems like the worst time to get into campy as a new budget rider lol, all the swaps just happened, hoods and 11 speed.

On a side note, why is it u can't swap old stuff to the 2009 style for shifters to get the new hood style? All here doing is pulling wire yes? Does it require the re designed 2009+ derailuers?
Veloce & centaur 2011 & 2012 are "power shift" similar to "escape" with limited shifting .. 3 down & 1 up I think. 2010 was the sweet spot for them. 2009 had the new shape, but "mushy" feel when shifting to easier cogs. Want some 2009 Centaur ?

You can mix & match different years. I think the other posters meant you can't swap the shifter internals between the new style & old style. So, you can't use a 2009 lever body with 2008 internal mechanism.
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post
You should just forget about the pre-2009 stuff, because repair parts are not that well supported.
Repair parts availability is still fine for second generation (1998 and newer) shifters. You only have to worry about 1992-1997 first generation ergo levers with pointy hoods (8 speed except for Chorus/Record 9 speed in 1997) for which the right G-spring carrier (seems to break every other rebuild), front lever return springs (I broke one right spring in 15 years), and thumb lever return springs (Broke one right spring) are no longer available.

If you want mutiple shifts from the thumb button, stick with current 11 speed and use Chorus shifters.
Or NOS 2010 10 speed Ultrashift levers (the 2009 may have weak detents, and the small parts to fix that problem are no longer sold separately).
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Ask this same question in the C&V forum. You will get much better answers. You might want to include some sspecifics of which shifters, year and derailleurs that you are thinking of getting. Many people seek out the older stuff. I use current Centaur shifters with an eight yr old 10speed Record rear dérailleur and it works perfectly.
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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
You might want to look at one of the UK online sites like Pro Bike Kit or Ribble for Campy stuff.
Ribbly pricing is awesome... Id build a bike in a heart beat with Veloce and a cheap frameset to start off with, only problem is the current Veloce they sell is powershift lol, I want ULTRA.

They suck for changing that haha
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The new veloce shifters shift perfectly fine IMO. Actually the whole veloce system is surprisingly good even shifting under load.
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Originally Posted by mazdaspeed View Post
The new veloce shifters shift perfectly fine IMO. Actually the whole veloce system is surprisingly good even shifting under load.
Im sure they shift fantastic. Its nothing more than I want utra shift- which allows me to shift multiple gears up and down. Wheras Powershift on Veloce-Athena only lets you do multiple shifts on one direction.

The Veloce I road was a year or two old and didnt have this problem under the new system. It shifted beautifully I wish they left it alone.
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If you don't mind the older hood design, you could search Ebay for NOS or lightly used levers (Centaur, Chorus 10s, Record 10s)

For example, these nice Chorus levers (mistakenly labeled 2012) look to be 2009 or a few years earlier.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-2012-Cam...item3376f06df7
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Originally Posted by cazten View Post
Ribbly pricing is awesome... Id build a bike in a heart beat with Veloce and a cheap frameset to start off with, only problem is the current Veloce they sell is powershift lol, I want ULTRA.

They suck for changing that haha
Look around at a couple of the international sellers sometimes they have closeouts on a couple years older groupsets. My Campy bike I built in 2009 using closed out 2007 Campy components I got from https://www.totalcycling.com . PBK is also good. Search around or shoot them all an email see if they have anything leftover from a couple years ago. https://www.lickbike.com is a US seller that has some decent deals as well I've heard good things.

THAT SAID, you need to remember this that while you're getting a great deal (internationally), its tough if you have a problem. My left had brifter broke at about 500 or so miles (snapped the downshift button right off) and I had to send it back to totalcycling in Ireland. 8 MONTHS later I got it back - not their fault, supposedly Campy warranty service for components just plain sucks. There are some people in this forum that can fix it for you if you mail it to them, as everything Campy is serviceable unlike Shimano. Its worth forgetting about warranty service and just paying someone here to fix it for you.
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I thought I couldn't afford new, then I found Ribble. I bought a complete 2012 Veloce group, a campy wheelset, tires, a saddle, a stem, and lots of other odds and ends--basically a whole bike except for frame and pedals--for less than what I would have paid for the group alone in the US. And free shipping on everything but the wheels. Check out Ribble. One thing to note, for some reason using their "group builder" thing was slightly more expensive than just picking all the individual components of the group myself and adding them to the cart.
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I thought I couldn't afford new, then I found Ribble. I bought a complete 2012 Veloce group, a campy wheelset, tires, a saddle, a stem, and lots of other odds and ends--basically a whole bike except for frame and pedals--for less than what I would have paid for the group alone in the US. And free shipping on everything but the wheels. Check out Ribble. One thing to note, for some reason using their "group builder" thing was slightly more expensive than just picking all the individual components of the group myself and adding them to the cart.
I saw the free shipping, then got a sad face when it didn't apply to complete bikes lol
On that note, where's the cheapest place to gt a frameset if I didn't buy a complete bike and just a group set

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THAT SAID, you need to remember this that while you're getting a great deal (internationally), its tough if you have a problem. My left had brifter broke at about 500 or so miles (snapped the downshift button right off) and I had to send it back to totalcycling in Ireland. 8 MONTHS later I got it back - not their fault, supposedly Campy warranty service for components just plain sucks.
It's not that, at all. Campy does stand behind their product, but they are very strict when it comes to who originally sold the parts.

All Campy parts since 2007 or so have a barcode on them. Campy uses this to identify, among other things, where the part was authorized to be sold. So if the barcode says "manufactured for sale in the United States," then the warranty is good in the U.S.

The trouble occurs when a person buys their components from one of the overseas places that charge markedly less than U.S. sources. Many of these places are selling OEM packaged parts (i.e. they were intended for use on factory-spec bicycles from bigger bike companies) intended for the Asian market. The parts are bought in bulk from Asia (where the warranty is originally honored, and where said warranty would carry through to, say, Giant, if the components ended up on a Giant bike intended for U.S. sale), then re-sold at a good discount.

The only catch? No explicit U.S. warranty. It's a case of "you take yer chances," really: money is saved up-front, but there's a potential risk of additional cost in the long run due to warranty issues.

If you are at all reluctant, buy from a Campagnolo Pro Shop-certified dealer in your home area. Yes, you'll pay more, but you'll get full tech and warranty support.

Just my $0.02 as a person who has bought Campy parts both from warranty-supporting U.S. shops and the UK discounters.
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^^^^ Very informative post. Thanks!
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