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rpenmanparker 06-12-12 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by chris1548 (Post 14347127)
Rpenmanparker. I just got back into town and read this today. I found your initial post interesting and thought-provoking, which I think is the spirit in which it was offered. I was pretty surprised, too, at how nasty and questioning a lot of people got right out of the gate. A fair number of people seem to want to lord it over other people at times on this forum, even when it often turns out they don't know much about much. Probably is boring at their job. I assumed you were being straightforward at the beginning. Maybe no pedals and cages threw some people, but 14.61 lbs. is good no matter what. I guess a lot of people just like to be snide. Good job on the bikes, and thanks for the original post. It just does show what you can do with normal parts. I think more reasoned discourse would be a plus generally.

Thank you. That is what I was trying for.

bike56 06-12-12 08:01 PM

Great looking bike and light,and I always thought bike weights were with out pedals.I love a good climber,good job

Soloist Assassin 06-12-12 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by ColinL (Post 14346404)
Glad you stuck with this thread, but ready to roll is how I weigh my bike.

Depending on your pedals and cages, you actually have a bike that's somewhere around 14.5 to 14.75 pounds. However I do see that your method is probably the same as magazine tests, as new bikes don't come with pedals (unless low-end, then very crappy platforms) or bottle cages.

I agree. Weighing your bike should be how you ride it. You can't ride w/o pedals, and you can't ride far without bottle cages, unless you have a camelbak, and in that case, you are a moron. Camelbaks are only for pot smoking mountain bikers. In any event, my Speedplay Zeros with Ti spindles, and a pair of New Ultimate cages is about .42lbs, or 190g including bottle cage bolts. So with my cages, and pedals you are at just over 14lbs. Not too shabby.

abstractform20 06-12-12 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by Soloist Assassin (Post 14348690)
I agree. Weighing your bike should be how you ride it. You can't ride w/o pedals, and you can't ride far without bottle cages, unless you have a camelbak, and in that case, you are a moron. Camelbaks are only for pot smoking mountain bikers. In any event, my Speedplay Zeros with Ti spindles, and a pair of New Ultimate cages is about .42lbs, or 190g including bottle cage bolts. So with my cages, and pedals you are at just over 14lbs. Not too shabby.

so camelbaks are for people who enjoy awesome things?

maybe i need to pick one up...of course, some mountain bikers have full carbon bikes with very light weight components.

Soloist Assassin 06-12-12 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by abstractform20 (Post 14348777)
so camelbaks are for people who enjoy awesome things?

maybe i need to pick one up...

I have one hanging from a hook in my basement. Most of them even come with pockets that you can use to stuff your doobies, and or pipe, and herbs in. I just put some big 42cm tires on my SS CX bike. I plan to try it on some trails soon, while wearing my Camelbak. It's the closest thing I have to a mountain bike currently.

abstractform20 06-12-12 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by Soloist Assassin (Post 14348801)
I have one hanging from a hook in my basement. Most of them even come with pockets that you can use to stuff your doobies, and or pipe, and herbs in. I just put some big 42cm tires on my SS CX bike. I plan to try it on some trails soon, while wearing my Camelbak. It's the closest thing I have to a mountain bike currently.

i think vaporizers would fit well too. of course, the anything you can roll can easily fit in a jersey pocket or saddle bag.

of course, you could always go the michael phelps route and enjoy water when you're not swimming with gold medals.

what tires btw?

Soloist Assassin 06-12-12 09:54 PM

Tires were nothing special. Some IRC things one of the guys at the LBS gave me. They came on some 29er mountain bike he had. They make that bike a lot of fun though. They also inspired me to try a 25mm Evo CX on my rear 404. I just got done gluing that on actually.

abstractform20 06-12-12 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by Soloist Assassin (Post 14348827)
Tires were nothing special. Some IRC things one of the guys at the LBS gave me. They came on some 29er mountain bike he had. They make that bike a lot of fun though. They also inspired me to try a 25mm Evo CX on my rear 404. I just got done gluing that on actually.

this makes me want a mountain bike even more...but alas upgrades to the road bike are taking priority.

pics of mtb?

Soloist Assassin 06-12-12 10:02 PM

It's still not a mtb technically. To keep this on track. It was 17.8lbs with the old tires, and a heavier saddle. With pedals of course. Rolling a 34-14 gear.

http://crxbart.com/cycling/cxv2pic1.jpg
http://crxbart.com/cycling/cxv2pic3.jpg

Drag 06-12-12 10:06 PM

Classic Selle Italia Flite FTW! :)

Soloist Assassin 06-12-12 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by Drag (Post 14348866)
Classic Selle Italia Flite FTW! :)

Just for you.

http://crxbart.com/cycling/cxv2pic2.jpg

rpenmanparker 06-13-12 06:24 AM

What is the standard way to weigh a bike?
 

Originally Posted by Soloist Assassin (Post 14348690)
I agree. Weighing your bike should be how you ride it. You can't ride w/o pedals, and you can't ride far without bottle cages, unless you have a camelbak, and in that case, you are a moron. Camelbaks are only for pot smoking mountain bikers. In any event, my Speedplay Zeros with Ti spindles, and a pair of New Ultimate cages is about .42lbs, or 190g including bottle cage bolts. So with my cages, and pedals you are at just over 14lbs. Not too shabby.

Thanks for the comments. As I said earlier, I respect the different positions on this question of how to properly weigh a bike. In fact I agree that the only weight that matters to a rider is the weight of the bike under him/her as it is being ridden. Having said that I am also aware that we like to consider from time to time whether this or that bike that we see in a mag,on the forum, or while we are riding would be a good choice for ourselves. There is no possible way that the mag review, or forum article or rider next to you in the paceline can tell you the weight of the bike AS YOU WOULD RIDE IT. The best way to know this is to know the standard weight of the bike (i.e. the way that I listed the weight of my bike) and add to that the weight of your personal "kit", the stuff that makes the display-room bike into your bike. For me that would be all the bike computer parts, the bottle cages and the pedals. And for me that is 0.75 lb. So when I see a bike review with a weight listed, I just add 0.75 lb to the number and I know immediately what it would weigh if I were riding it. Looking at this from the other side, what is the point of me telling you how much the bike weighs when I ride it? Aren't you really interested in what it would weigh if you were riding it? That is why I stand by the approach of listing the stripped-down weight, not the complete weight. Everybody's complete weight contains different things. It is up to you to add those into the total weight.

Paul Barnard 06-13-12 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Soloist Assassin (Post 14348849)
It's still not a mtb technically. To keep this on track. It was 17.8lbs with the old tires, and a heavier saddle. With pedals of course. Rolling a 34-14 gear.

http://crxbart.com/cycling/cxv2pic1.jpg
http://crxbart.com/cycling/cxv2pic3.jpg


Dear God that is one ugly garage door.

ColinL 06-13-12 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by Paul Barnard (Post 14349989)
Dear God that is one ugly garage door.

that looks pretty good for the inside of a garage door. :lol:


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