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06-14-12, 08:37 AM
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^ I'm just po'd because I'm only second on the Atlantic Bridge, so I have to diss the whole thing.
Actually, to the extent it provides motivation, entertainment thats great.
Starting to worry about protocol, and that's where it seems to get a bit silly to me.
Actually, to the extent it provides motivation, entertainment thats great.
Starting to worry about protocol, and that's where it seems to get a bit silly to me.
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06-14-12, 08:46 AM
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I would agree if he came out here and started bashing people for doing this and that (so and so got a record by drafting a truck, that a-hole)... I don't think we've reached that level yet. But rest assured, we will. Now go assault that bridge...
06-14-12, 08:56 AM
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I think its fair game because everyone else is doing it. I wish there was a checkbox for solo or group ride and then list the KOMs and allow you to filter the leaderboards to see how to stack up with other solo riders. Of course, that would be an honor system thing that everyone would have to follow. There's no way to verify that you weren't riding with a group.
06-14-12, 09:13 AM
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Making a kilometer blurry
06-14-12, 09:21 AM
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I was thinking about that. Wouldn't you have to be in the back of a pickup truck on a trainer and spinning in order to make it convincing? Otherwise you would have gotten the KOM with a cadence of 0 and a heart rate of around 50 bpm. Now, where can I get a pickup truck?
06-14-12, 09:32 AM
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It would seem that a system like Strava should be able to register multiple riders on a segment different from a solo effort based on time stamp. That said I don't know anyone who takes Strava too seriously. Folks here joke when someone goes on a tear and the emails go out that someone new is taking all the local KOMs. It's all in good fun!
06-14-12, 09:35 AM
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I see plenty of erroneous results near me (45 mph up a hill? For real?) that appear to be in the middle of another ride, so I'm tempted to believe they drove a car for that segment but it's not probable. I think Strava has some assumptions built in that you can hack if you're that interested in getting a KOM.
Check this segment out - https://app.strava.com/segments/965049
There is NO EFFING WAY anybody is making it up that hill at 35 mph and the start point is already on a hill, so it's not like you come bombing off a downhill. I recognize some of the names starting at #2 (because they feature prominently on a lot of the segments I ride, and usually well above me
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If you look at the rest of his ride, it's a perfectly normal looking ride though - https://app.strava.com/rides/6010202#
So Strava apparently has plenty of bugs left to work out. I rode a segment last week and probably averaged about 22-23 (which is obvious looking at my speed chart) mph but my overall average shows up at 28 mph. Obviously wrong.
Check this segment out - https://app.strava.com/segments/965049
There is NO EFFING WAY anybody is making it up that hill at 35 mph and the start point is already on a hill, so it's not like you come bombing off a downhill. I recognize some of the names starting at #2 (because they feature prominently on a lot of the segments I ride, and usually well above me
)If you look at the rest of his ride, it's a perfectly normal looking ride though - https://app.strava.com/rides/6010202#
So Strava apparently has plenty of bugs left to work out. I rode a segment last week and probably averaged about 22-23 (which is obvious looking at my speed chart) mph but my overall average shows up at 28 mph. Obviously wrong.
06-14-12, 09:53 AM
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I see plenty of erroneous results near me (45 mph up a hill? For real?) that appear to be in the middle of another ride, so I'm tempted to believe they drove a car for that segment but it's not probable. I think Strava has some assumptions built in that you can hack if you're that interested in getting a KOM.
Check this segment out - https://app.strava.com/segments/965049
There is NO EFFING WAY anybody is making it up that hill at 35 mph and the start point is already on a hill, so it's not like you come bombing off a downhill. I recognize some of the names starting at #2 (because they feature prominently on a lot of the segments I ride, and usually well above me )
If you look at the rest of his ride, it's a perfectly normal looking ride though - https://app.strava.com/rides/6010202#
So Strava apparently has plenty of bugs left to work out. I rode a segment last week and probably averaged about 22-23 (which is obvious looking at my speed chart) mph but my overall average shows up at 28 mph. Obviously wrong.
Check this segment out - https://app.strava.com/segments/965049
There is NO EFFING WAY anybody is making it up that hill at 35 mph and the start point is already on a hill, so it's not like you come bombing off a downhill. I recognize some of the names starting at #2 (because they feature prominently on a lot of the segments I ride, and usually well above me
)If you look at the rest of his ride, it's a perfectly normal looking ride though - https://app.strava.com/rides/6010202#
So Strava apparently has plenty of bugs left to work out. I rode a segment last week and probably averaged about 22-23 (which is obvious looking at my speed chart) mph but my overall average shows up at 28 mph. Obviously wrong.
06-14-12, 09:58 AM
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I see plenty of erroneous results near me (45 mph up a hill? For real?) that appear to be in the middle of another ride, so I'm tempted to believe they drove a car for that segment but it's not probable. I think Strava has some assumptions built in that you can hack if you're that interested in getting a KOM.
Check this segment out - https://app.strava.com/segments/965049
There is NO EFFING WAY anybody is making it up that hill at 35 mph and the start point is already on a hill, so it's not like you come bombing off a downhill. I recognize some of the names starting at #2 (because they feature prominently on a lot of the segments I ride, and usually well above me )
If you look at the rest of his ride, it's a perfectly normal looking ride though - https://app.strava.com/rides/6010202#
So Strava apparently has plenty of bugs left to work out. I rode a segment last week and probably averaged about 22-23 (which is obvious looking at my speed chart) mph but my overall average shows up at 28 mph. Obviously wrong.
Check this segment out - https://app.strava.com/segments/965049
There is NO EFFING WAY anybody is making it up that hill at 35 mph and the start point is already on a hill, so it's not like you come bombing off a downhill. I recognize some of the names starting at #2 (because they feature prominently on a lot of the segments I ride, and usually well above me
)If you look at the rest of his ride, it's a perfectly normal looking ride though - https://app.strava.com/rides/6010202#
So Strava apparently has plenty of bugs left to work out. I rode a segment last week and probably averaged about 22-23 (which is obvious looking at my speed chart) mph but my overall average shows up at 28 mph. Obviously wrong.
Yep - that result is clearly BS.
Check this one out: https://app.strava.com/segments/1520106
Sure it's downhill, but 45 mph by a guy with no Strava usage whatsoever? He had 35 mph on the immediate preceding segment. So he averaged 40 over two miles. It's downhill, but not THAT downhill. I get the impression it was a guy playing with his phone while riding shotgun. Strava should have an automated system to throw these results out. On the otherhand - who the hell cares? It really is just for fun and anyone with half a brain knows there are BS results on there.
06-14-12, 09:59 AM
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Making a kilometer blurry
35mph up 4% for 40 seconds? Give me a tailwind and I'll take a run at it. Completely plausible. Other folks on that list have estimated power in the 400W range. There's no way that's maximal. I just don't think anyone has really tried on it until this guy.
06-14-12, 10:15 AM
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06-14-12, 10:15 AM
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Descends like a rock
06-14-12, 10:16 AM
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Descends like a rock
It would seem that a system like Strava should be able to register multiple riders on a segment different from a solo effort based on time stamp. That said I don't know anyone who takes Strava too seriously. Folks here joke when someone goes on a tear and the emails go out that someone new is taking all the local KOMs. It's all in good fun!
06-14-12, 10:19 AM
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I see plenty of erroneous results near me (45 mph up a hill? For real?) that appear to be in the middle of another ride, so I'm tempted to believe they drove a car for that segment but it's not probable. I think Strava has some assumptions built in that you can hack if you're that interested in getting a KOM.
Check this segment out - https://app.strava.com/segments/965049
There is NO EFFING WAY anybody is making it up that hill at 35 mph and the start point is already on a hill, so it's not like you come bombing off a downhill. I recognize some of the names starting at #2 (because they feature prominently on a lot of the segments I ride, and usually well above me )
If you look at the rest of his ride, it's a perfectly normal looking ride though - https://app.strava.com/rides/6010202#
So Strava apparently has plenty of bugs left to work out. I rode a segment last week and probably averaged about 22-23 (which is obvious looking at my speed chart) mph but my overall average shows up at 28 mph. Obviously wrong.
Check this segment out - https://app.strava.com/segments/965049
There is NO EFFING WAY anybody is making it up that hill at 35 mph and the start point is already on a hill, so it's not like you come bombing off a downhill. I recognize some of the names starting at #2 (because they feature prominently on a lot of the segments I ride, and usually well above me
)If you look at the rest of his ride, it's a perfectly normal looking ride though - https://app.strava.com/rides/6010202#
So Strava apparently has plenty of bugs left to work out. I rode a segment last week and probably averaged about 22-23 (which is obvious looking at my speed chart) mph but my overall average shows up at 28 mph. Obviously wrong.
If it bugs you that much flag the ride and they will eventually remove it from the KOM. I know how to edit my files to get rid of that garbage, but it would be nice if there were better editing tools. I doubt the guy is trying to fool anyone.
Strava KOM's are there to be assulted.
The ToC stages and segments have pros on them in Strava. You can follow Ted King among others.
You can also follow Johnny Peloton. He travels a lot and has a bad habit of crushing local clown KOM dreams.
06-14-12, 10:23 AM
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SuperGimp
Not realistic. If the bad boys just below him (who are racers) are only hitting about 20 mph, i'm sticking by my unreasonable claim.
Of course, there's a difference between riding a segment in the middle of a long ride and just going out to specifically hit one tiny segment.
06-14-12, 10:29 AM
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SuperGimp
Well, you've demystefied that one. I didn't notice the break, but he turned his garmin off and then turned it back on to drive home. I'm nowhere near the top 25 anyway, it makes no difference to be + or - 1 spot.
06-14-12, 11:59 AM
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i have seen iphones with dying batteries give 2x speed info somehow for segments within a ride...fyi
there are also tips on these interwebs about how to doctor your gpx file to fake your results.
in the end it is for entertainment purposes only, and anyone who takes it too seriously should go back inside.
there are also tips on these interwebs about how to doctor your gpx file to fake your results.
in the end it is for entertainment purposes only, and anyone who takes it too seriously should go back inside.
06-14-12, 12:06 PM
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there should be a flagging system...something like that would easily be determined as fake...especially with a 75bpm...
06-14-12, 12:17 PM
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Making a kilometer blurry
Strava wasn't letting me see that stuff this morning. Yeah, clearly in a car. Of course, I just flagged the ride, so it's not there any more anyway.
I'm not claiming that Peter Sagan couldn't do it but this guy averaged 15 mph on his 30 mile ride, never broke 30 mph at ALL even downhill until that hill at the end of his 30 mile ride.
Not realistic. If the bad boys just below him (who are racers) are only hitting about 20 mph, i'm sticking by my unreasonable claim.
Of course, there's a difference between riding a segment in the middle of a long ride and just going out to specifically hit one tiny segment.
Not realistic. If the bad boys just below him (who are racers) are only hitting about 20 mph, i'm sticking by my unreasonable claim.
Of course, there's a difference between riding a segment in the middle of a long ride and just going out to specifically hit one tiny segment.
06-14-12, 12:21 PM
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Descends like a rock
Yeah, my point is that it's possible to go that fast on that segment in the right conditions. My teammate just took this KOM from me, and it's completely legitimate. He just happened to be out on the road when a storm front rolled through. He said leaves were passing him on the way up (at 36mph).
06-14-12, 12:26 PM
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I think its fair game because everyone else is doing it. I wish there was a checkbox for solo or group ride and then list the KOMs and allow you to filter the leaderboards to see how to stack up with other solo riders. Of course, that would be an honor system thing that everyone would have to follow. There's no way to verify that you weren't riding with a group.
I'm sure there's a way Strava could weed these out, if the developers there were so inclined.
06-14-12, 12:37 PM
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06-14-12, 12:41 PM
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Strava wasn't letting me see that stuff this morning. Yeah, clearly in a car. Of course, I just flagged the ride, so it's not there any more anyway.Yeah, my point is that it's possible to go that fast on that segment in the right conditions. My teammate just took this KOM from me, and it's completely legitimate. He just happened to be out on the road when a storm front rolled through. He said leaves were passing him on the way up (at 36mph).
06-14-12, 12:41 PM
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They could get some, but never all. I've done many group rides where I'm pretty sure, I'm the only person with a GPS or Strava account. One of my PRs on a local hill was when I was riding with one other guy. There was no drafting involved, but I know I was faster because he was there.