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Buying a carbon frame bike - should I be concerned about warranty

Old 06-15-12, 02:56 PM
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Buying a carbon frame bike - should I be concerned about warranty

I'm shopping for a new bike to get back into riding at age 64 and looking for a comfortable ride.

Considering Madone 5.2, Specialized Roubaix Expert, and Infinito Ultegra. Waiting for LBS to get the Specialized and Infinito in my size so I can ride them both.

The Infinito looks beautiful and may offer the best bang for buck at the price I can get it at. I see that both Trek and Specialized offer lifetime warranties on their frames while Bianchi USA only warranties carbon frames for 5 years.

Is that a deal breaker? Need some guidance. Would you avoid the Infinto for this reason?
Thanks in advance.
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Old 06-15-12, 03:04 PM
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I guess this is one of those personal life outlook kind of questions. Personally, warranty never factors into my buying decisions when it comes to bikes. If I believe the manufacturer makes quality bikes enough for me to consider buying one, that's good enough.
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Warranties are generally to cover manufacturing defects. Most of the time those kinds of defects are going to show up well before the 5 year mark. Besides, in five years, you may be wanting something new anyway!
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After 5 years you may have upgraded, gotten a new frame etc. Pick the pick that rides the best, I wouldn't worry that much about it.
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Originally Posted by Fritzenheimer View Post
I'm shopping for a new bike to get back into riding at age 64 and looking for a comfortable ride.

Considering Madone 5.2, Specialized Roubaix Expert, and Infinito Ultegra. Waiting for LBS to get the Specialized and Infinito in my size so I can ride them both.

The Infinito looks beautiful and may offer the best bang for buck at the price I can get it at. I see that both Trek and Specialized offer lifetime warranties on their frames while Bianchi USA only warranties carbon frames for 5 years.

Is that a deal breaker? Need some guidance. Would you avoid the Infinto for this reason?
Thanks in advance.
Warranties are there to insure you against manufacturing defects. In most cases, these defects will rear their heads in the first year of riding. The longer time frames are for weekend warriors and the like that don't spend to much time riding their bikes. The whole lifetime warranty thing is mostly just a warm fuzzy feeling. If you end up wearing out the rear end of a frame and a weld frames after 10k miles, good luck with that warranty.

In other words, don't worry about it, but do pay attention to where you get the frame. A warranty is only as good as the LBS that it came from. I've ridden all 3 and can say the Infinitio blew the other 2 out of the water in terms of ride quality ATMO.
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Old 06-15-12, 04:31 PM
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Warranties are very important to me on major purchases.

It is a way for a manufacturer/vendor of saying we stand behind this product. I have a friend who is now on a second frame warrantied by Trek (on his third Trek bike after the original one he bought failed). And they did not try to weasel out of their "word" either. And each frame was an upgrade over the previous one. That, my friends, is SERVICE!

Would I buy solely based on warranties? NO, but if two/three/four bikes I test-ride are very possible choice-wise, I'll go with the best warrantie anyday.
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Old 06-15-12, 05:02 PM
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IMHO carbon is more or less for guys who like to race. If you're going to invest in a carbon bike, then it should be top notch. If you're thinking about buying a top notch carbon bike, that means you have the capacity to buy titanium. If you're not racing why not prefer titanium to carbon.

I could see it, if you've ridden both, but just prefer the ride of the carbon. However, have you tried them both?

I'd recommend the following:

1) The Giant TCR Advanced 0 ~ $4550
www.giantbicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/tcr.advanced/9006/48836/

2) The Giant Defy Advanced 0 ~ $4550
www.giantbicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/defy.advanced/9012/48847/

3) The Giant TCR Composite ~ $2400
www.giantbicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/tcr.composite/9007/48839/

4) The Giant Defy Composite ~ $2400
www.giantbicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/defy.composite/9013/48850/

5) The Motobecane LeChamp Fire ~ $1900
www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/lechamp_fire.htm

6) The Motobecane LeChamp Titanium Fire Force ~ $2100
www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/lechamp_ti_fire_force.htm

7) The Motobecane LeChamp SL Titanium ~ $2100
www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/lechamp_slti_xi.htm

8) The Motobecane Immortal Inferno ~ $2500
www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/immortal_inferno.htm

9) The Lynskey Sportive Sram Rival ~ $2950
www.lynskeyperformance.com/store/sportive-complete-with-sram-apex-or-sram-rival.html

10) The Jamis Quest ~ $1800
www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebikes/road/quest/12_quest.html

* The Jamis Quest is made of 631 chromoly steel. One of the lighest of chromoly steels, ever known to mankind.

PS.

A man's word is just as good as the man. A bicycle manufacturer's warranty is just as good as the manufacturer.

That said, an online warranty should always be regarded with less sincerity than one from a LBS, where a dealer has to represent both himself, as well as the product that he sells for the manufacturer.

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Old 06-15-12, 06:27 PM
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I sent my 2006 Raleigh Team frame in last year for them to fix a water bottle lug and during there inspection found that the BB was cracked and replaced the frame with a new 2010 Team SL frame. Glad to see they stood behind there lifetime warranty even if I bought the 2006 used..
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they will last and have great warranties...my girl got the 5.2 and she and I both love that bike....
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If you go with a Madone, make sure it's a new bike. Used, they will leave you hanging as a 2nd owner of a defective frame, as the warranty states. A manufacturing defect ruined my used Madone, and I had no recourse. Just a loss.
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Old 06-16-12, 03:29 AM
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As long as you purchase a new bike from a major brand, you'll get a warranty. You can probably download the manual for the bikes and it will contain the warranty. Many brands offer lifetime warranty against defects. I think one or two offer only two year warranties. Also some brands have discount program for crash replacements.

I liked the Madone 5.2 when I was test riding bikes. You might also consider the Felt Z4 and Cannondale Carbon Synapse Ultegra and Giant Defy Advanced. The bikes are all quite similar.
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Originally Posted by mymojo View Post
Warranties are generally to cover manufacturing defects. Most of the time those kinds of defects are going to show up well before the 5 year mark. Besides, in five years, you may be wanting something new anyway!
I don't think I'll be in a position tof buy a new one in 5 years.




What's the failure rate on carbon frames of this level? Does the failure rate increase with the age of the frame?
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Originally Posted by Fritzenheimer View Post
I don't think I'll be in a position tof buy a new one in 5 years.




What's the failure rate on carbon frames of this level? Does the failure rate increase with the age of the frame?
Probably nil. And no. At least in your lifetime.
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Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
IMHO carbon is more or less for guys who like to race. If you're going to invest in a carbon bike, then it should be top notch. If you're thinking about buying a top notch carbon bike, that means you have the capacity to buy titanium. If you're not racing why not prefer titanium to carbon.
Have you considered professional help? Maybe there's some medication or therapy...
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Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
IMHO carbon is more or less for guys who like to race. If you're going to invest in a carbon bike, then it should be top notch. If you're thinking about buying a top notch carbon bike, that means you have the capacity to buy titanium. If you're not racing why not prefer titanium to carbon.

I would say the exact opposite. I was more inclined to buy a more expensive carbon frame when I gave up racing and was less likely to crash. Then there was no reason not to have the fastest, stiffest and most comfortable frame possible (and yes, I have ridden steel and titanium and much prefer the ride of carbon). There is a reason the vast majority of the high end frames are now carbon.

Honestly to spend $2000 on a Motobecane would be about the dumbest thing I ever did.
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I dont like the motobecane but sometimes is a good deal because they are selling you the parts. Some of those come full dura ace and if you do the math and you need a group is the way to go and then sell the frame, end of the tale.
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Originally Posted by jrobe View Post
I would say the exact opposite. I was more inclined to buy a more expensive carbon frame when I gave up racing and was less likely to crash. Then there was no reason not to have the fastest, stiffest and most comfortable frame possible (and yes, I have ridden steel and titanium and much prefer the ride of carbon). There is a reason the vast majority of the high end frames are now carbon.

Honestly to spend $2000 on a Motobecane would be about the dumbest thing I ever did.

Modern day racers ride carbon almost exclusively. Motobecane makes excellent bicycle frames. Whether it be carbon or titanium, Motobecane makes quality bicycles and is now becoming more widely accepted as consumer-cyclist friendly. It's quite true that carbon is becoming more popular as a bicycle frame material. It's also becoming more of a status symbol, too.

You were correct in your assessment of the low impact resistance of carbon. Crashing a carbon fiber frame, would no doubt be a much greater risk than crashing steel or titanium, for certain. However, that's the problem. Just because you're not racing, doesn't mean that your speed is limited. You could have an accident at any given time. If you do, the liabilty is prohibitive. You don't necessarily have to be racing.

When did you quit racing?
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hey slim,

how would you compare the impact resistance of true high modulus carbon frames reinforced with boron (or another similar "thing") versus one of the original kestral carbons frames that is still around today?

thanks! i look forward to another incredibly informative and non-biased post.

ps- just kidding, i dont want information from you.
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Slim: Carbon in a crash is usually much cheaper to repair than metal frames. I have a friend racing an Opal on a 3-year-old repair. Both chain stays broken all the way through. Repair was $400 including matching the existing paint stripes. 3 years later, the frame is perfect, and he races it weekly.
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