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Triathletes are nuts - training indoors all week while living in Socal

Old 06-26-12, 05:55 AM
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Triathletes are nuts - training indoors all week while living in Socal

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One of the dudes did 14 hours last week all on trainer - and lives within feet of the beach in Socal.
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do you live in socal? try finding a 20+ minute stretch of flat road without lots of stop signs or stop lights within 10 miles of the beach - it isn't going to be easy unless you are close to pendleton. not to mention that the guy may be more comfortable riding on a trainer than riding when it is dark.
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Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no View Post
do you live in socal? try finding a 20+ minute stretch of flat road without lots of stop signs or stop lights within 10 miles of the beach - it isn't going to be easy unless you are close to pendleton. not to mention that the guy may be more comfortable riding on a trainer than riding when it is dark.
^ He has a point. Plus in a summer with a flood of tourists riding near any beach is a charlie foxtrot. That being said, I did hear people whine that it was in the 70s and cloudy so they didn't ride.
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I personally think any indoor training is torture.

That goes for stationary trainers, treadmills, etc.

Rollers are barely tolerable and that's for when roads are too icy to ride safely.

But hey, last time I checked it's a free country so you can do whatever you want...I am just glad I am not doing that!
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Regardless Triathletes are nuts. We have quite a few in these parts that are on the road. Wish they would train inside more instead of blowing past me on the road. I have heard from quite a few how the spinning classes produce better intervals better controlled for big gains out on the road.

After reading the post it seems like a time convenience for many. And it does make sense as the sport is generally a rough water swim and they usually train in the pool. With biking being only one third of their sport they have allot of juggling and time management to perform. With that 14 hours of trainer time I wonder how much pool and running time was also performed.

Crazy

That being said I like the wind in my face and rubber on the road. But if it is cloudy and seventy it makes kinda hard to get out there, I have to wait until its seventy two.

As far as the lights go I don't buy it. We have plenty of long stretches without a ton of lights. From my house 10 miles to the coast I can go about 15 miles in one direction and hit less than 5 lights. There are back country climbs that have none and are about a 30 min drive from the coast.
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Originally Posted by Gallo View Post
As far as the lights go I don't buy it. We have plenty of long stretches without a ton of lights. From my house 10 miles to the coast I can go about 15 miles in one direction and hit less than 5 lights. There are back country climbs that have none and are about a 30 min drive from the coast.
Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no
try finding a 20+ minute stretch of flat road without lots of stop signs or stop lights within 10 miles of the beach - it isn't going to be easy unless you are close to pendleton.
hmmm...
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Originally Posted by Gallo View Post
As far as the lights go I don't buy it. We have plenty of long stretches without a ton of lights. From my house 10 miles to the coast I can go about 15 miles in one direction and hit less than 5 lights. There are back country climbs that have none and are about a 30 min drive from the coast.
Tips as to where these are? I'm new to San Diego and have yet to find flat stretches of road without a ton of stop lights. The best I've found so far is a lumpy stretch of trail on the 56 bike path that takes me about 7 minutes to ride. I just keep going back and forth on it until I reach the desired time for the interval. It's pretty empty during non-commute times of day. It gets repetetive but scenery isn't all that important to me during intervals.
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To chime in as a triathlete, getting a good workout on the road on a tri-bike is damn near impossible aside from dangerous. Theres only a couple places at least where I live where its safe to put the hammer down on your aero bars (and usually you can only do it at certain times of the day or theres far too many people around to ride safely), so sometimes the trainer is the only way to get that kind of workout in.
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I tried to ride outdoors once, but I had to stop for a light, and getting started again was really hard because I bought aero stuff and that doesn't accelerate as well. Plus, people complained when I peed on my bike.
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Not all triathletes prefer to train indoors, and it's hard to monitor a workout in open water as compared to a pool.
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At least his training...
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Seems extreme, but it's probably a heck of a lot more efficient and safer than trying to get a long tempo ride on the PCH, right?
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...But if it is cloudy and seventy it makes kinda hard to get out there...
what?
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Not surprising or "crazy" at all. As a working, non-sponsored amateur athlete try getting regular, quality 2-a-days in and you quickly realize the necessity of good time management. Swimming and running end up outside and are more flexible while maintaining consistency. Bike training... trainers fit the bill for day in/out consistent training when time allows. Keep in mind that a lot of folks spin outdoors on their trainers/rollers when the weather is nice. Easily done safely after work, after time with the kids and family etc etc when it is low light or dark out. Spin session on the patio!

That said, a lot of triathletes are STILL crazy.
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Originally Posted by hhnngg1 View Post
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One of the dudes did 14 hours last week all on trainer - and lives within feet of the beach in Socal.
So what if he can only ride at 1am? Better to do it indoors than ride around on the streets with the drunks.

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do you live in socal? try finding a 20+ minute stretch of flat road without lots of stop signs or stop lights within 10 miles of the beach - it isn't going to be easy unless you are close to pendleton.
There are a few river trails that are totally empty on weekdays, and they go from the beach to 20-30miles inland. Not a single stop sign or stop light. I've not been at a redlight at any time over the last 1000 miles....These days I'm either on a deserted MUP or riding mount baldy.
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The nutiness of triathletes are pretty well established within the 41. No story here...move along
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Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no View Post
do you live in socal? try finding a 20+ minute stretch of flat road without lots of stop signs or stop lights within 10 miles of the beach - it isn't going to be easy unless you are close to pendleton.
SGRT. But I wouldn't ride some stretches alone in the dark.
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Originally Posted by jmX View Post
There are a few river trails that are totally empty on weekdays, and they go from the beach to 20-30miles inland. Not a single stop sign or stop light. I've not been at a redlight at any time over the last 1000 miles....These days I'm either on a deserted MUP or riding mount baldy.
i'll concede that the sart is long and flat with no stop signs or red lights, but it has many unpredictable moving chicanes during the hours that most people are not working. if you feel comfortable riding that trail for interval work during the middle of weekdays, no skin off my back. i haven't really gotten the chance to ride it at that time (except for holidays and weekends - and then it is a fred/ped frenzy).

when i first moved to orange county, i loved riding the sart, which is to say i loved the notion of riding the sart. no stop signs or red lights for miles! but, as much as i fought it, i eventually came to the conclusion that the sart is not a place for training, at least not for the vast majority of us who work regular hours on weekdays. it is way too crowded for me to feel safe even after work on weekdays, and when there is low traffic, the speed limit still stands at 10mph. with a modest wind coming off the ocean, a reasonably fit triathlete will be pushing 25+mph going inland. i haven't been on san gabriel, but i imagine it is more of the same. i would rather do a trainer session than risk having some kid on training wheels pull out in front of me while doing 40km/h in aerobars, or worse yet, getting crushed by an oncoming 30mph fredfest that didn't rotate a rider through quickly enough to get out of my lane.
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I totally disagree with anyone here who says it's impossible to find roads to train on by teh beach.

I used to live in Santa Monica, and the PCH is eminently rideable, even with heavy traffic (it's actually safer when there's traffic since it slows everyone down.) It's actually one of the best places to do TT-type training, as there are long stretches with no lights just a few miles outside of the Santa Monica town border. You can train there all the time (ok, night is dicey, but any time with daylight it's fine.) There are thousands of athletes on it every weekend doing just that.

Now downtown LA - that would be tougher for sure, but if you're an early bird, you can still make it over to Griffith Park at the crack of dawn before the motorists start getting in your way.

I don't know too many folks (ok I don't know ANY folks) who predominantly ride a bike trainer in Socal in the various roadie crews that I rode with, and even the triathletes whom I rode with. Of course, this is likely self-selecting as I obviously won't meet the trainer guys on the roads, but I'm sure it's still a very small minority if you live in LA - there are daily AM and PM group rides to join in all parts of town.
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it isn't the car traffic that kills it, it is that you can't get a decent interval length without hitting lights or stops - the anathema of interval training. from santa monica to malibu, how many lights are there? the best stretch that i know of is between sunset beach and huntington beach, and that is only ~5 miles.
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when I lived in norcal, the nice roads out there that are worth riding on are dangerous. Because everyone else on a car/motorcycle/ etc have the same idea. (plus pot holes, ducks, etc are no good on my wheels) And if I took the ride out to the beach rode then ate and then came home. I hated cleaning sand out of my bike, that crap is corrosive. Same living here, my tri bike doesnt leave the house much with out a good reason.


My favorite ever I think so far has been in florida from orlando east beach to west beach back to orlando then lunch or dinner.
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Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no View Post
it isn't the car traffic that kills it, it is that you can't get a decent interval length without hitting lights or stops - the anathema of interval training. from santa monica to malibu, how many lights are there? the best stretch that i know of is between sunset beach and huntington beach, and that is only ~5 miles.
You've gotta be kidding me. There are like 4 lights from Santa Monica to Malibu, and after Malibu, the 2 lights in like a 10 mile stretch are so paced apart that you can easily work your intervals around them. I wouldn't do intervals right when leaving Santa Monica, but I'd definitely do them on the Malibu PCH portion and especially any part of the PCH after Malibu. Not once have those lights been a factor in slowing the road bike hammerfests that I've ridden with as they're so spaced apart.

Now downtown LA or Westwood. THAT'S stoplights.
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There are a few river trails that are totally empty on weekdays, and they go from the beach to 20-30miles inland. Not a single stop sign or stop light. I've not been at a redlight at any time over the last 1000 miles....These days I'm either on a deserted MUP or riding mount baldy.
Maybe Orange County is better in this regard. In San Diego, there are, in fact, almost no flat trails without stop signs or stop lights. I've been meaning to do a new TT lactate threshold test for a while, and the biggest thing stopping me is that I have to drive half an hour one way (preferably at 6 AM) to a place where the test could be done. There's 101 through Camp Pendleton, there's San Luis Rey River Trail (also near Camp Pendleton, flat but with annoying "dips" when crossing city streets); there's Fiesta Island (flat circle, no stop signs, but with persistent 10 mph westerly wind every day from 9 AM to 9 PM, so it might as well be considered a slope); there's 56 bike path, not very flat and with stops every 3 miles; there's Ocean Beach Bike Path (flat, 3 miles long). As far as I know, that's the complete list of flat trails of any notable uninterrupted length between downtown San Diego and south Orange County.

I have no problem finding hilly rides without red lights (there's a route that I rode on a couple of occasions, that starts at my house and goes for 16 miles without a single red light and ~4 stop lights, all 4 of which can be safely blown because there's absolutely no traffic at any of them); but flat rides, those are hard to find.

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Originally Posted by c0urt View Post
when I lived in norcal, the nice roads out there that are worth riding on are dangerous. Because everyone else on a car/motorcycle/ etc have the same idea. (plus pot holes, ducks, etc are no good on my wheels) And if I took the ride out to the beach rode then ate and then came home. I hated cleaning sand out of my bike, that crap is corrosive. Same living here, my tri bike doesnt leave the house much with out a good reason.


My favorite ever I think so far has been in florida from orlando east beach to west beach back to orlando then lunch or dinner.
What part of Norcal are you talking about? The climbs around Palo Alto to Santa Cruz are epic, and considered safe road due to the high concentration of cyclists on them, raising awareness of them. I'm positive that cycling safety stats for Norcal are far better than Florida (which usually holds the record for most bike deaths per year.)
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Maybe Orange County is better in this regard. In San Diego, there are, in fact, almost no flat trails without stop signs or stop lights. I've been meaning to do a new TT lactate threshold test for a while, and the biggest thing stopping me is that I have to drive half an hour one way (preferably at 6 AM) to a place where the test could be done. There's 101 through Camp Pendleton, there's San Luis Rey River Trail (also near Camp Pendleton, flat but with annoying "dips" when crossing city streets); there's Fiesta Island (flat circle, no stop signs, but with persistent 10 mph westerly wind every day from 9 AM to 9 PM, so it might as well be considered a slope); there's 56 bike path, not very flat and with stops every 3 miles; there's Ocean Beach Bike Path (flat, 3 miles long). As far as I know, that's the complete list of flat trails of any notable uninterrupted length between downtown San Diego and south Orange County.

I have no problem finding hilly rides without red lights (there's a route that I rode on a couple of occasions, that starts at my house and goes for 16 miles without a single red light and ~4 stop lights, all 4 of which can be safely blown because there's absolutely no traffic at any of them); but flat rides, those are hard to find.
If you can do it on a half mile oval, try the overflow lot at Legoland. There's a gate or an opening across the street from Karl Strauss.
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