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Gatorskin-like protection without the harsh ride?

Old 07-10-12, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
interesting. do you happen to inflate to max pressure by preference or necessity (heavy rider)?
I tended to overinflate the vittorias, 110-115 psi because I didn't know any better. I run the gators at around 95-98. I'm 170, so my weight isn't a concern I think, wish I'd tried the Corsas at a lower psi before they wore out.
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Old 07-10-12, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Debusama View Post
Better road maintenance in BC? Maybe fewer good 'ole boys tossing beer bottles of windows? Over here on the other side of the imaginary line, I found myself fixing about 2-flats per week in training rides, and in open course road races I flatted out of 3 races in a row last year and swore off racy tires (the two I tried were the pro race 3 and open Corsa) in open course road races. Now that I have a second set of wheels, and the pro 3 race/krylion carbon are half price most places since the pro 4 came out, I've got the krylions on lighter box-section rims that I prefer for road races and pro 3s on deep-V rims I use for crits. Since I do a lot of switching back and forth between the two, I actually feel the long-wearing/puncture resistant Krylions ride smoother than the than the pro 3 race tires, but that may be attributable to the different wheels. The cornering grip of the racy tires is better though.
I dunno, maybe I'm just lucky. I regularly do randonneuring events on my Diamantes. 200kms minimum, over all sorts of road surfaces, as the route organizers just shoot for the most interesting quiet roads with little thought given to the surface. Long gravel sections are common.

About a month ago I replaced one of the new 'Radiales' because the cords were showing, and starting to fray in a few spots. I had never had a flat on that tire. I also run Vittoria Ultra Light tubes.

It's been my experience, with the flats I have had, that no tire or flat-protection system would have stopped it. When I pull a nail or something out of my tire... I wouldn't want to use the tire that can turn aside a nail.
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Old 07-10-12, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kv501 View Post
You're asking for something that doesn't exist. If it did, everyone would ride them. Everyone.

It is kind of like when people ask for a golf ball that's straight off the driver and spins like a ProV on the green. It just doesn't exist. If it did there would be one, and only one, golf ball on the market. Same thing with tires. I use to buy Armadillo tires, ran over everything you could possibly imagine, and had zero flats in thousands of miles. The ride was horrible, though, so I bought a set of GP4Ks and my body & bike thanked me. I will put up with a few flats for that.

Until some future millionaire engineer figures out how to make a tire like you're looking for you'll have to either take a harsh ride, or a comfortable one and change a tube once in a while.
Yea...that's my opinion as well.
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Originally Posted by xfimpg View Post
Hi

I'm tired of flats and I'm tired of replacing tires that shread too easily.

I've had Gatorskins before and as good as they are for flat protection, it's like riding bricks. Some of you may not agree and that's okay.

For those that do, could you recommend a tough tire near a Gatorskin but with a smoother ride?

Thanks
I had 3 flat in 250 kms with a gatorskin 700x25, tiny sharp bits of rock. I now have about 1200 kms on the tire and there's a lot of cuts in the rubber. I personnaly think that the gatorskin is highly overrated but that's just me. I heard a lot of people that were very satisfied with it.
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Old 07-10-12, 12:10 PM
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Another vote for the Panaracer Pasela TG. I haven't ridden that many tires to compare, but I've commuted on mine through lots of glass and rough roads. I rarely get flats on them until they start getting worn thin. Nice ride too. I'm sure there are tougher tires out there with better protection, but in my experience the Pasela TG is enough.
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Old 07-10-12, 07:34 PM
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Thanks guys for all the input, it's very appreciated.
I don't think they will ever release the perfect tire as it would kill there sales.
I purchased the Maxxis Re-fuse and I have to say they were a ***** to put on. I pinched a tube in the process, so I'm very careful now.
They do look very sturdy and what a sidewall.
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Old 07-10-12, 07:42 PM
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Old 07-11-12, 09:37 AM
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It is easy to have gatorskin protection and a soft ride.

Just don't over inflate them.
on the gatorskin 25mm, max PSI is 120, recommended is 95.

Conti did a lot of testing and development to maximize that tire's performance at 95psi. That is the sweet spot. The further away from that number you go, the more you are making a compromise.

Over inflate them and they are harsh, use the PSI they were designed for, and they ride and perform very nice.
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Old 07-11-12, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by chas58 View Post
It is easy to have gatorskin protection and a soft ride.

Just don't over inflate them.
on the gatorskin 25mm, max PSI is 120, recommended is 95.

Conti did a lot of testing and development to maximize that tire's performance at 95psi. That is the sweet spot. The further away from that number you go, the more you are making a compromise.

Over inflate them and they are harsh, use the PSI they were designed for, and they ride and perform very nice.
+1 My CX bike got more comfortable when I put on Gatorskins. This is on bike with an uber stiff inexpensive aluminum frame. Did my first metric on them 2 weeks ago.
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Old 07-11-12, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rangerdavid View Post
conti 4000s. not as good flatproofness. lighter. nice tires overall.
Isn't it true that the only difference between GP4000s and Gatorskins is the sidewall? I am pretty sure they are the same tire/construction but the Gators have different sidewalls. I'm about 90% sure I read that here on BF so it must be true!
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Old 07-11-12, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocket-Sauce View Post
Isn't it true that the only difference between GP4000s and Gatorskins is the sidewall? I am pretty sure they are the same tire/construction but the Gators have different sidewalls.
completely false. the gatorskin is a 180 thread per inch tire, and the GP4000S and GP 4 Season are 330. that is a major contributor to both performance and ride quality.

the gatorskin also uses a polyX breaker belt, which is unlike the GP4000S and GP 4 Season's Vectran breaker.

the only thing similar is that the gatorskin does have the same duraskin sidewall protection found in the GP 4 Season.
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Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
completely false. the gatorskin is a 180 thread per inch tire, and the GP4000S and GP 4 Season are 330. that is a major contributor to both performance and ride quality.

the gatorskin also uses a polyX breaker belt, which is unlike the GP4000S and GP 4 Season's Vectran breaker.

the only thing similar is that the gatorskin does have the same duraskin sidewall protection found in the GP 4 Season.
Well that explains why my Gatorskins were comfortable for me. I replaced Panaracer Urban Max's with them. Went from a whopping 27 TPI to 180 TPI. Isn't 180 TPI still pretty high in the whole scheme of things or are there several other factors in tire comfort?
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Originally Posted by knobd View Post
Isn't 180 TPI still pretty high in the whole scheme of things or are there several other factors in tire comfort?
somewhat high, and TPI it's not the end-all of tire performance or comfort by any means. tire design and construction matter a lot.

my wife's michelin pro4 endurance 25mm ride amazingly well and have 110 tpi.
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Old 07-11-12, 01:31 PM
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I have well over 4500 miles on a pair of Ultra Gatorskins—all on a loaded tourer. By the time I got to Oregon, they were starting to show through in places, but they got me there. Had six flats: one road wire, five goat heads and one internal chaffing—which wasn't the tires fault. I like 'em.
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Old 07-11-12, 05:39 PM
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At $29 at Nashbar Krylions can't be beat.I've had 2 sets that went about 3000 miles without almost any flats.Great ride too.
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Old 07-11-12, 06:58 PM
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If you guys don't mind, I'm going to hijack my own thread.

What is this "622" number i often see paired with a 700x##?
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622 is the diameter of the rim where the tyre bead sits and 700 is the outside diameter of the tyre.

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Originally Posted by sk0tt View Post
622 is the diameter of the rim where the tyre beat sits and 700 is the outside diameter of the tyre.
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