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08-02-12, 11:29 AM
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08-02-12, 11:30 AM
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08-02-12, 11:50 AM
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To be clear: this is amateur sports doping, this is not a criminal matter. So if this guy cooperates at all, if he talks to kids about the evils of doping, etc., that is all through the sheer contrition in his heart, his desire to make amends for his transgressions. He could also tell the entire NY bicycle community and USA Cycling to fark off and be completely within his legal rights. You don't go to prison just for being a ******.
Everyone should bear that in mind before they burn this guy at the stake. All he can do now is what he has done, so that's why I find the piling on a little hard to fathom, regardless of all the resentment and anger this understandably generated. Like it or not, doping is part of modern sports, apparently at all levels. I do wonder how much the entry fee would have to be at local races to support doping controls? $60 instead of $30? Maybe that's something USA Cycling should factor in - that the sport would be cleaner if competitors faced dope tests after races, maybe @ random.
Everyone should bear that in mind before they burn this guy at the stake. All he can do now is what he has done, so that's why I find the piling on a little hard to fathom, regardless of all the resentment and anger this understandably generated. Like it or not, doping is part of modern sports, apparently at all levels. I do wonder how much the entry fee would have to be at local races to support doping controls? $60 instead of $30? Maybe that's something USA Cycling should factor in - that the sport would be cleaner if competitors faced dope tests after races, maybe @ random.
08-02-12, 11:53 AM
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08-02-12, 11:54 AM
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And that's the particular part I call BS on. This guy is off base enough to have doped for cat 4 races. This, in his words, was to gain relevance. What better way to remain relevant than to declare yourself as part of the solution. Now people can look up to him as he grabs back the moral high ground and helps the children. Never mind that he's a single, balding, middle aged and was so when he started to dope to fuel his fragile psyche. What wisdom he has for children I can't fathom. What I can say with certainty is that this is just another in a long line of ways he would continue to fuel his ego.
08-02-12, 12:01 PM
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And that's the particular part I call BS on. This guy is off base enough to have doped for cat 4 races. This, in his words, was to gain relevance. What better way to remain relevant than to declare yourself as part of the solution. Now people can look up to him as he grabs back the moral high ground and helps the children. Never mind that he's a single, balding, middle aged and was so when he started to dope to fuel his fragile psyche. What wisdom he has for children I can't fathom. What I can say with certainty is that this is just another in a long line of ways he would continue to fuel his ego.
I don't think this guy's ever going to find the relevance he seeks.
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08-02-12, 12:05 PM
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08-02-12, 12:16 PM
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To be clear: this is amateur sports doping, this is not a criminal matter. So if this guy cooperates at all, if he talks to kids about the evils of doping, etc., that is all through the sheer contrition in his heart, his desire to make amends for his transgressions. He could also tell the entire NY bicycle community and USA Cycling to fark off and be completely within his legal rights. You don't go to prison just for being a ******.
If the HGH and EPO were purchased illegally (usually online), it would have been prosecuted, amateur doping or not. Slam dunk case for the feds or local DA's office given the admission to use, which implies possession.
08-02-12, 12:24 PM
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Scarlet Knight
I suspect there was a criminal investigation. You can't go to Walgreens and buy HGH and EPO off the shelves. When someone admits to use, the drugs, esp in those quantities, had to be bought from somewhere. When he was able to show they were obtained through "legal means," whatever that is, they probably backed off. My guess is he hired counsel, much like he hired someone to observe the B sample testing.
If the HGH and EPO were purchased illegally (usually online), it would have been prosecuted, amateur doping or not. Slam dunk case for the feds or local DA's office given the admission to use, which implies possession.
If the HGH and EPO were purchased illegally (usually online), it would have been prosecuted, amateur doping or not. Slam dunk case for the feds or local DA's office given the admission to use, which implies possession.
08-02-12, 12:50 PM
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I suspect there was a criminal investigation. You can't go to Walgreens and buy HGH and EPO off the shelves. When someone admits to use, the drugs, esp in those quantities, had to be bought from somewhere. When he was able to show they were obtained through "legal means," whatever that is, they probably backed off. My guess is he hired counsel, much like he hired someone to observe the B sample testing.
If the HGH and EPO were purchased illegally (usually online), it would have been prosecuted, amateur doping or not. Slam dunk case for the feds or local DA's office given the admission to use, which implies possession.
If the HGH and EPO were purchased illegally (usually online), it would have been prosecuted, amateur doping or not. Slam dunk case for the feds or local DA's office given the admission to use, which implies possession.
08-02-12, 12:53 PM
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all he needed to do was show the feds a Rx. Any of us could walk into an anti-aging clinic and get Rx for all sorts of drugs. EPO though is interesting since there is a REMS program (Risk Evalualuation and Mitigation Strategies) to restrict its use. Around here the only docs who register for the REMS training are oncologists and nephrologists. Although I personally know an oncologist who way overuses EPO.
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08-02-12, 01:22 PM
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How do they pay to snowplow the roads on Mount Cuba? Is it a toll road?
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08-02-12, 01:42 PM
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Peloton Shelter Dog
And that's the particular part I call BS on. This guy is off base enough to have doped for cat 4 races. This, in his words, was to gain relevance. What better way to remain relevant than to declare yourself as part of the solution. Now people can look up to him as he grabs back the moral high ground and helps the children. Never mind that he's a single, balding, middle aged and was so when he started to dope to fuel his fragile psyche. What wisdom he has for children I can't fathom. What I can say with certainty is that this is just another in a long line of ways he would continue to fuel his ego.
At the end of the day all these judgements on the guy don't amount to a hill of beans anyway. It is what it is, and I think everybody would be better off expending their valuable Kj's elsewhere.
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08-02-12, 01:43 PM
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I agree, what prosecutor would pursue criminal charges here? Sounds pretty silly to me. To what end?
Hey Gary, what does this doper amateur cyclist do for a day job anyway?
Hey Gary, what does this doper amateur cyclist do for a day job anyway?
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08-02-12, 02:02 PM
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I don't follow your logic on this, but then maybe you understand the twisted nature of this guy's psyche better than me. Or maybe the guy is genuinely contrite. Nobody knows besides him.
At the end of the day all these judgements on the guy don't amount to a hill of beans anyway. It is what it is, and I think everybody would be better off expending their valuable Kj's elsewhere.
At the end of the day all these judgements on the guy don't amount to a hill of beans anyway. It is what it is, and I think everybody would be better off expending their valuable Kj's elsewhere.
It's not really twisted logic..just basic psychology, which might be twisted. Here's a guy who, in an effort to be "relevant" (his words), took HGH and EPO as a low level cyclist. Now the guy is making public admissions and vowing to become relevant in the fight against doping. He likes to be seen. This is yet another way to be seen. When this wanes he'll find some other way. I promise his life is littered with crap like this all in an effort to be seen.
I think he owns an ad agency.
08-02-12, 02:04 PM
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Peloton Shelter Dog
It's not really twisted logic..just basic psychology, which might be twisted. Here's a guy who, in an effort to be "relevant" (his words), took HGH and EPO as a low level cyclist. Now the guy is making public admissions and vowing to become relevant in the fight against doping. He likes to be seen. This is yet another way to be seen. When this wanes he'll find some other way. I promise his life is littered with crap like this all in an effort to be seen.
I think he owns an ad agency.
I think he owns an ad agency.
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08-02-12, 02:06 PM
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Regardless of my need for attention, affirmation and approval EPO abuse isn't one of the things I would resort to. For so many significant reasons. I'd agree with you Gary, you really, REALLY have to be a self-centered ahole with NO regard for others to do that. No doubt. That's very, very bad on several levels.
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08-02-12, 02:07 PM
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I don't follow your logic on this, but then maybe you understand the twisted nature of this guy's psyche better than me. Or maybe the guy is genuinely contrite. Nobody knows besides him.
At the end of the day all these judgements on the guy don't amount to a hill of beans anyway. It is what it is, and I think everybody would be better off expending their valuable Kj's elsewhere.
At the end of the day all these judgements on the guy don't amount to a hill of beans anyway. It is what it is, and I think everybody would be better off expending their valuable Kj's elsewhere.
08-02-12, 02:07 PM
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Scarlet Knight
I would also suspect that he has a narcissistic personality disorder.
08-02-12, 02:17 PM
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08-02-12, 02:32 PM
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Narcissism is all the rage now days, with the new mantra being "It's All About Me".
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