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how much improvement can i expect from a ultegra 6700 to '11 sram red?

Old 08-07-12, 10:47 PM
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how much improvement can i expect from a ultegra 6700 to '11 sram red?

in terms of shifting smoothness and weight savings?

also, what do you guys think of this deal on a '11 sram red?

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...175406795.html

thanks.

planning on putting sram red when i get a bmc roadracer later on.
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Do you use a 175mm crank? BB30? Standard Crank?

If no, then it's a crap deal.

Hard to tell what kind of condition its in from the pics though. Red chainrings are frail (IMO) and shifting performance sucks when the teeth start to bend (this is based on a sample set of 1, not an exhaustive study)

As for weight it'll be more than a pound lighter (https://www.totalcycling.com/component-weights.html) but it wont' shift as smoothly, it will be louder but perhaps faster from gear to gear. It's a personal taste thing really.
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
Do you use a 175mm crank? BB30? Standard Crank?

If no, then it's a crap deal.

Hard to tell what kind of condition its in from the pics though. Red chainrings are frail (IMO) and shifting performance sucks when the teeth start to bend (this is based on a sample set of 1, not an exhaustive study)

As for weight it'll be more than a pound lighter (https://www.totalcycling.com/component-weights.html) but it wont' shift as smoothly, it will be louder but perhaps faster from gear to gear. It's a personal taste thing really.
im using compact 50/34 and 172.5 arms.

but like i said, i plan to put red this when i get a roadracer later on. do those use BB30?

that sucks that you say red chainrings are frail. i woudn't wanna drive all the way to hermosa beach and find out it's not in an ideal shape.

that more than a pound lighter sounds good though.

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I would expect no improvement(other than your relationship with SRAM's warranty department)

PM me if you want to sell you 6700 components cheap.
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but like i said, i plan to put red this when i get a roadracer later on. do those use BB30?
I think you've made several posts in regards to this soon to be made purchase. Just PM me if you need to know anything as a former owner.

No, the RR uses a standard GXP crankset.

There's a million threads about Shimano V SRAM. I personally own both and I love my SRAM better. Why? Google it.
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If you're willing to give up a little weight, SRAM force is very close to the same performance as RED (zero loss shifters are one exception, the rest is just as good I think, but you can usually upgrade the shifters in any kit) but more durable and slightly heavier. Still way lighter than Ultegra, and you can buy it new for about $900.

Hard to say about whether the frame uses BB30 - regular English threaded cranks can be adapted to use on a BB30 BB, but the reverse is not true. And if the crank is the wrong size for you, that's a $200 waste.
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Originally Posted by Biscayne05 View Post
I think you've made several posts in regards to this soon to be made purchase. Just PM me if you need to know anything as a former owner.

No, the RR uses a standard GXP crankset.

There's a million threads about Shimano V SRAM. I personally own both and I love my SRAM better. Why? Google it.
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If you're willing to give up a little weight, SRAM force is very close to the same performance as RED (zero loss shifters are one exception, the rest is just as good I think, but you can usually upgrade the shifters in any kit) but more durable and slightly heavier. Still way lighter than Ultegra, and you can buy it new for about $900.

Hard to say about whether the frame uses BB30 - regular English threaded cranks can be adapted to use on a BB30 BB, but the reverse is not true. And if the crank is the wrong size for you, that's a $200 waste.

crank arm is that much of a big deal? 2.5mm seems very minimal.
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IME, Ultegra 6700 front shifting is quicker and crisper than last gen Red front shifting. Some people have more trouble setting up the Red FD, but I didn't. The Red shift lever throw seems a lot shorter and thus a more positive mechanical feel at the lever. Ultegra is much lighter action and seems smoother shifting up and down the cassette. Red seems to initiate the upshift to smaller cogs faster, but that may just be my imagination? Red uses doubletap which I sometimes mis-shift when exhausted. Braking feels similar between the two to me. I can't tell any difference in pedaling feel between the cranksets.

Red is definitely an improvement over Ultegra in terms of weight. But in terms of ergonomics and shifting feel, it's more a matter of personal preference. Maybe try some test rides at the LBS so you get some first hand experience on both groupsets.
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20 watts
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shimano marginally smoother than sram
sram lighter than shimano

i also folded over a couple of teeth on my red outer chain ring. problem solved by replacing with an FSA chainring on closeout <$25.
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Originally Posted by vermilionx View Post
crank arm is that much of a big deal? 2.5mm seems very minimal.
Size matters
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I'd second the opinion that Ultegra 6700 shifts better than the previous generation Sram Red. Shimano front shifting has been the Gold standard. The New Red is arguably as good or better, but they made substantial changes in the New Red to improve front shifting, given the complaints regarding front shifting on the previous iteration of Red.
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thanks.

i guess i'll have to wait until i can get a '12 red.

haven't looked yet if it comes in compact but i really like compact bec it's pretty hilly here in the valley and i use my lowest gear in the 5%-12% grade climbs here.
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if you're on a budget consider a Rival group, upgrade to Force Crankset, Red shifters, you'll get all the performance of SRAM, less weight than Ultegra and maintain some kind of budget, they'll be roughly the same price as ultegra instead of droppin the big $$ on Red complete. just a thought.
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Or campy
i guess... bmc is a euro bike.
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If you have any interest in Campagnolo and looking for light weight, go here to compare weight vs price. They have most individual component weights published and the best prices I've seen on Campagnolo.
https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/pu/roa...ets/groupset/1
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Guy who won't wear lycra and wears underwear under his shorts is concerned with difference between Ultegra and Red. Only in the 41.
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Originally Posted by therhodeo View Post
Guy who won't wear lycra and wears underwear under his shorts is concerned with difference between Ultegra and Red. Only in the 41.
lolz

hells yeah man

gotta make the bike look as pro as i can and make myself as casual as i can.
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Originally Posted by vermilionx View Post
thanks.

i guess i'll have to wait until i can get a '12 red.

haven't looked yet if it comes in compact but i really like compact bec it's pretty hilly here in the valley and i use my lowest gear in the 5%-12% grade climbs here.
It does come in a compact.

At least according to Sram, you need the new Red Yaw derailleur, and New Red shifters to use the new Red crankset.

However a review in Velonews indicates you can mix and match a bit, with varying degrees of success, depending on the particular components paired.
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As for crank size, I would have imagined that 172.5 is too big for you already but if you're comfy on it I guess it's fine.
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Originally Posted by milkbaby View Post
IME, Ultegra 6700 front shifting is quicker and crisper than last gen Red front shifting.
Ultegra 6700 front shifting is fantastic!
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You can use the new FD with the old Red parts, works fine except for trim of course.
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Originally Posted by therhodeo View Post
Guy who won't wear lycra and wears underwear under his shorts is concerned with difference between Ultegra and Red. Only in the 41.
Lol...hilarious. Its like working in a bike shop.
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