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C02 Inflation System and Cartridges

Old 08-12-12, 10:23 PM
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C02 Inflation System and Cartridges

I'm planning to invest in a C02 inflation system, specifically this one.

After getting the inflation system, obviously one would need cartridges, right? So, I came across these on Amazon. I was wondering, would these be compatible with the inflation device that I selected and are they any good?
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Old 08-12-12, 11:29 PM
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Yes, and yes.
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The blurb for the tool/inflator says it takes threadless carts and your link is to threaded carts.
Threadless are usually cheaper than threaded.
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If you're open to suggestions, I'd suggest either this one: https://www.aebike.com/Genuine-Innova...r_p_32150.html

...or this one, which is both an inflator and a backup micropump: https://www.aebike.com/Genuine-innova...7_p_21509.html
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I needed mine yesterday so a good investment. I came here recently and asked the same question and got a lot of good input.
I went with the most popular Genuine Innovations inflator + 16g threaded cartridges. Buy extra cartridges. A good strategy is to
carry 2 cartridges + tube if out on a long ride. One 16g cartridge will fill an empty tire to about 105 PSI or so. Two cartridges will allow you to nurse a slow leak until you get home if you don't feel like changing the tire on the road...say in tough conditions...lot of traffic etc.
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Yep. The 16g inflator works well. Unless you ride in isolated location and by yourself, that's normally all you need to carry unless you like having all those little tools.
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I use this one because it takes threadless 12 or 16g, or threaded any size you want (so literally any CO2 cartridge):

https://www.genuineinnovations.com/bi...s-clone-2.html
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Thanks for the info and advice. What I'm really worried about is, if these generic cartridges would work properly with a cupped inflator like the ones nhluhr and I listed? Such as will they fit and do they work as well as the non generic brands out there?

If you guys have any other recommendation for the generic cartridges, please do post it here. Thanks.

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The device nhlur specified threadless as far as I can see. The blackburn unit you linked also specified threadless but the cartridges you listed were threaded. All you have to do is match threadless inflators with threadless cartridges or threaded with threaded. That's all. The cartridges are all the same stuff; as far as I know they are all about the same, either 12 gram or 16 gram. I use 16 gram with 25c tires. Buying cartridges online in a box is way cheaper than most lbs that sell cartridges for up to 3 bucks each.
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Originally Posted by MNX1024 View Post
Thanks for the info ans advice. What I'm really worried about is, if these generic cartridges would work properly with a cupped inflator like the ones nhluhr and I listed? Such as will they fit and do they work as well the non generic brands out there?

If you guys have any other recommendation for the generic cartridges, please do post it here. Thanks.
Will just provide my 2 cents on generic cartridges. Why? You can pick up 6 threaded 16g cartridges on ebay shipped for 20 bux. To me, a threaded versus push together joint is much more secure for any pressure vessel including propane.
Good luck.
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Originally Posted by mechBgon View Post
If you're open to suggestions, I'd suggest either this one: https://www.aebike.com/Genuine-Innova...r_p_32150.html

...or this one, which is both an inflator and a backup micropump: https://www.aebike.com/Genuine-innova...7_p_21509.html

The Air Chuck Elite would be my choice. It is all metal, no plastic so it will never crack like plastic can. I personally wouldn't want to use a highly compressed gas with a plastic Co2 inflator but I know people do it all the time.

I will told by a VP at Genuine Innovations that they pressure test their inflators to see how much pressure it takes to make one explode. The Air Chuck is by far their strongest inflator. It is also their lightest and smallest inflator at 17 grams.
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Originally Posted by Carbon Unit View Post
The Air Chuck Elite would be my choice. It is all metal, no plastic so it will never crack like plastic can. I personally wouldn't want to use a highly compressed gas with a plastic Co2 inflator but I know people do it all the time.

I will told by a VP at Genuine Innovations that they pressure test their inflators to see how much pressure it takes to make one explode. The Air Chuck is by far their strongest inflator. It is also their lightest and smallest inflator at 17 grams.
I have the air chuck. It works flawlessly. It is made well. I had a plastic inflator before that and it never worked right. I like the quality and simplicity of the air chuck.
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Originally Posted by digibud View Post
The device nhlur specified threadless as far as I can see. The blackburn unit you linked also specified threadless but the cartridges you listed were threaded. All you have to do is match threadless inflators with threadless cartridges or threaded with threaded. That's all. The cartridges are all the same stuff; as far as I know they are all about the same, either 12 gram or 16 gram. I use 16 gram with 25c tires. Buying cartridges online in a box is way cheaper than most lbs that sell cartridges for up to 3 bucks each.
?? The page says it INCLUDES one threadless cartridge. Under compatible accessories:

"All 12 and 16 gram non-threaded CO2 Cartridges, 12, 16 and 25 gram threaded CO2 Cartridges, and Big Air! "
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Reason I'm interested in the Blackburn is because it has a set of multi-tools built in. Trying to switch to a smaller saddle bag, realized that I'm carrying too much stuff.

Aside from the inflators, anyone used those or other generic C02 cartridges before? Is there anything to be said about them?
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There's no difference between generic and brand names - they probably are all made in the same place. About the only difference/feature I know that's worth considering is covering material that keeps your fingers from getting cold if you just use a head.
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Originally Posted by MNX1024 View Post
Reason I'm interested in the Blackburn is because it has a set of multi-tools built in. Trying to switch to a smaller saddle bag, realized that I'm carrying too much stuff.

Aside from the inflators, anyone used those or other generic C02 cartridges before? Is there anything to be said about them?
I've used the generic CO2 and it works just like the fancy branded ones as far as I can tell.

I find separate parts to be more compact for a smaller bag. Just some ideas, whatever works for you...
I have one tire lever velcro'd to the underside of my saddle.
I use the tiny Lezyne nozzle, which works great - store it off the cartridge, obviously.

And the pro bikegear mini tool
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Originally Posted by pallen View Post
I use the tiny Lezyne nozzle, which works great - store it off the cartridge, obviously.

And the pro bikegear mini tool

I store my Air Chuck on a cartridge I just don't puncture the cartridge. Then, I keep two or three more cartridges in the bag. Still weighs less than a small pump.
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Yeah, that works fine if it fits in your bag that way. I have a really tiny bag though. The chuck on the cartridge would be too long.
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I store my Air Chuck on a cartridge I just don't puncture the cartridge. Then, I keep two or three more cartridges in the bag. Still weighs less than a small pump.
I too have a newly acquired GI Air Chuck. A question about your comment about you don't puncture the cartridge. Doesn't puncturing the cartridge occur when the inflator nozzle is threaded to the cartridge?...or...does the cartridge not get punctured until the nozzle head spring is compressed by pushing the nozzle head down to release gas?
Curious how this works.
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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
I too have a newly acquired GI Air Chuck. A question about your comment about you don't puncture the cartridge. Doesn't puncturing the cartridge occur when the inflator nozzle is threaded to the cartridge?...or...does the cartridge not get punctured until the nozzle head spring is compressed by pushing the nozzle head down to release gas?
Curious how this works.
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When you put the Air Chuck on a cartridge you can turn the head maybe five or six turns before you feel any resistance and that is when you stop turning. If you turn futher, you will puncture the cartridge. I leave it in the bag this way, I just don't puncture the cartridge.

I am been told that a punctured cartridge will last six months or so before it looses all of the gas but I have not tested it. I only puncture a cartridge when I have a flat.
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Originally Posted by Carbon Unit View Post
When you put the Air Chuck on a cartridge you can turn the head maybe five or six turns before you feel any resistance and that is when you stop turning. If you turn futher, you will puncture the cartridge. I leave it in the bag this way, I just don't puncture the cartridge.

I am been told that a punctured cartridge will last six months or so before it looses all of the gas but I have not tested it. I only puncture a cartridge when I have a flat.
This is what I do.
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Originally Posted by Carbon Unit View Post
When you put the Air Chuck on a cartridge you can turn the head maybe five or six turns before you feel any resistance and that is when you stop turning. If you turn futher, you will puncture the cartridge. I leave it in the bag this way, I just don't puncture the cartridge.

I am been told that a punctured cartridge will last six months or so before it looses all of the gas but I have not tested it. I only puncture a cartridge when I have a flat.
Just so I understand what you do. After storing your Air Chuck in your saddle bag with 5-6 turns of cartridge attachment to the nozzle head.
What is your next step if you get a flat? Do you further tighten the nozzle to the cartridge to pierce the cartridge?...or does depressing the nozzle pierce the cartridge?
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PS: to me having just used my Air Chuck Elite one time a couple of days ago, it wasn't clear to me I pierced the cartridge by threading the nozzle onto the cartridge...at which point in the threading process...as there didn't feel like a defining point when the cartridge was punctured...cartridge tightened and just stopped.

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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
Just so I understand what you do. After storing your Air Chuck in your saddle bag with 5-6 turns of cartridge attachment to the nozzle head.
What is your next step if you get a flat? Do you further tighten the nozzle to the cartridge to pierce the cartridge?...or does depressing the nozzle pierce the cartridge?
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PS: to me having just used my Air Chuck Elite one time a couple of days ago, it wasn't clear to me I pierced the cartridge by threading the nozzle onto the cartridge...at which point in the threading process...as there didn't feel like a defining point when the cartridge was punctured...cartridge tightened and just stopped.

Yes, I put the cartridge on and turn it until it stops. If you turn it any further, it will puncture the cartridge. I do this when I am ready to use it to fix a flat. Then, just push the head onto the Presta valve. You regulate it by pushing and letting up on the pressure. Be sure to blow some air into the tube with your mouth so that the tube is round when you put in into the tire so that you don't get a pinch flat.

The cartridge will get cold when you put Co2 through it. Not a big deal. If you can hold a ice cube in your hand for 20 seconds, then you will be fine. Maybe in the winter, you might want to wear gloves.
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Here, for cartridges:

https://www.redrockminnesota.com/serv...s/1/Categories
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Reason I'm asking about the generic cartridges is because I read on one of the Amazon review, a user said that it did not fit properly into a inflator. That's what I'm mostly worries about. Anyone used these before?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/30-CO2-cartr...item231a0f09a7

Anyway I went with the Proflate Plus because of it's wide range of compatibility. Now I got to replace my overly large and heavy multi tool.
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