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Modern Equivalent to Selle Italia Turbo?

Old 09-02-12, 12:43 AM
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Modern Equivalent to Selle Italia Turbo?

I'm looking for something slightly more modern, but, with the fit of a classic Selle Italia Turbo. I know they've reintroduced the Turbo. But, it would be nice to have something that looks slightly less dated.

I've worn out my old Flite Genuie Gel, a saddle that I have completed century length rides on without discomfort. There are small divits where there should be gel pads. And, I started to develop a deep down soreness around my sit bones.

So, I started the quest for a new saddle shape by trialing a Fizik Antares Versus. I had it for a week and three rides of 30-110km. It helped alleaviate the sit bone discomfort, but, produced a slight discomfort slightly further forward. While is seemed possibly "passable", it wasn't "oh my god, that's perfect". It also seemed as though the sweet spot on it was quite narrow.

Next, up was a Selle Italia Max Flite Gel Flow (how many more words can they use?). On my initial one hour trial it seemed, better than the Antares Vs. But, on a subsequent two hour ride it became increasing uncomfortable. I believe that the gel pads are deeper and larger than I am acustomed to and provide too broad a pressure zone. I was in near agony by the end of the two hours. It didn't stay on the bike for my long weekend ride.

Out of curiousity I tossed an old Selle Italia Turbo on the bike for my Saturday morning ride. The Max Flite was a certain "No" and I figured there was little to be learned by putting the worn out Flite Gel back on. All I can say is that, it was like slipping on a long forgotten pair of custom made shoes from the back corner of your closet. Comfy, a nice middle position, the ability to slide back a little for climbing power and the ability to scooch forward on the nose for extended periods of low shouldered TT'ing.

I know Selle Italia have reintroduced the Turbo. But, if I want something slightly more modern with the turbo like fit, what fits the bill?
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Let me re-phrase your question:

I found a saddle I really like, and now it's even be re-released! But, I'm mostly concerned with how my saddle looks.

Does anyone know of a saddle that looks PRO, but happens to also fit just like that boring old Turbo?
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SI has also reintroduced the original Flite, which was basically a cut-away of the Turbo. I know the base is different and perhaps there are other, significant differences that would affect feel, but the top-down profile I think is the same as the original Turbo.

A similar top-down profile can be found in the Prologo Kappa, although the nose *looks* longer. I don't have one, so can't offer any first-hand insight.

Saddles are tricky, and expensive to switch out, so I've stuck with the original Flite on my mileage bikes for about 17 years now. I'm probably missing out on the latest and greatest--been tempted to try the Adamo things-- but it's an "if it aint broke..." situation for me.

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Saddles are SO personal...

You dig?
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I asked (pretty much) this question a few years ago on here, and was told that the Turbomatics are virtually the same shape, but with a lot of the sides cut off
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Originally Posted by Banzai
Let me re-phrase your question:

I found a saddle I really like, and now it's even be re-released! But, I'm mostly concerned with how my saddle looks.

Does anyone know of a saddle that looks PRO, but happens to also fit just like that boring old Turbo?
Pretty much nailed it on the head. Can't stand suffering any more scorn than I already do from the bike snobs of the local parking lot pickup ride. Plus, at some point I'm going to upgrade to something newer than my 2001 frame. So, yes, I'd like to have found something that "looks" less dated than a 32 year old design.

What can I say? Sometimes aesthetics plays a role. I'm going to look at the Prologo mentioned above. But, worry not Banzai, if I can't find anything that compares, a turbo it will be.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
SI has also reintroduced the original Flite, which was basically a cut-away of the Turbo. I know the base is different and perhaps there are other, significant differences that would affect feel, but the top-down profile I think is the same as the original Turbo.

A similar top-down profile can be found in the Prologo Kappa, although the nose *looks* longer. I don't have one, so can't offer any first-hand insight.

Saddles are tricky, and expensive to switch out, so I've stuck with the original Flite on my mileage bikes for about 17 years now. I'm probably missing out on the latest and greatest--been tempted to try the Adamo things-- but it's an "if it aint broke..." situation for me.

Good luck.
Thanks for the lead on the Prologo Kappa. I'll have a look.

The original flight differs from the Turbo by a fair bit. I tried them in the 90's and didn't find them to be comparable. However, Selle Italia have on occassion, change the shape of a model during it's production time without changing the name or by simply adding more words to the name. Hence, the acceptability of the Flite Genuine Gel ten years later.
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You're welcome. Another one that may be worth a look is the Soma Hisan. Cut-away, but looks like a pretty similar top profile to the Turbo.
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We appear to have a winner in the Turbomatic. I found a Team Edition on sale at a clearance for $50nzd. I've since put several hundred km on it and it seems to work. Go figure, big surprise. My only concern is that the carbon rails seem to have a plastic attachment block/port to the saddle shel that is already starting to feel a little loose. I figure it will probably start creaking or groaning in short order. But, we'll see.
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The best equivalent ir the Brooks Professional. Once on it you will never ride anything else.
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Originally Posted by surgeonstone
The best equivalent ir the Brooks Professional. Once on it you will never ride anything else.
Are you on drugs?
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Originally Posted by bigfred
Are you on drugs?
Absolutely not, this is the voice of an ass that has had 40 years of sitting on different saddles. Only one saddle that changes to fit you. All the other plastic crap out there changes you instead and that for the worse. Tell me, would you rather have a fine pair of leather shoes or would you prefer plastic shoes.
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Originally Posted by surgeonstone
Absolutely not, this is the voice of an ass that has had 40 years of sitting on different saddles. Only one saddle that changes to fit you. All the other plastic crap out there changes you instead and that for the worse. Tell me, would you rather have a fine pair of leather shoes or would you prefer plastic shoes.
You obviously didn't bother to read the thread beyond the heading. I've found my saddle, thank you very much.

25 years ago my ass suffered through my attempts to use a Brooks Professional.

First, the Brooks is far from being a Turbo. Second, why would I want a hundred year old design, that weights over a half pound extra, requires breaking in, then ongoing maintenance when I insist on being an all weather cyclist, when I could have a modern design, that benefits in terms of weight, comfort and all weather durability from being built using modern materials?

I understand that you Brooks users enjoy your flavour of Koolaid. It just isn't to everyone elses tastes. Sally forth and enjoy your steel railed, leather, crotch hammock. I hear Marino jersey are also making a come back. Perhaps I should dig my old Rivat's out of the closet and see if the cleats are still nailed in the correct position:-)
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Originally Posted by bigfred
You obviously didn't bother to read the thread beyond the heading. I've found my saddle, thank you very much.

25 years ago my ass suffered through my attempts to use a Brooks Professional.

First, the Brooks is far from being a Turbo. Second, why would I want a hundred year old design, that weights over a half pound extra, requires breaking in, then ongoing maintenance when I insist on being an all weather cyclist, when I could have a modern design, that benefits in terms of weight, comfort and all weather durability from being built using modern materials?

I understand that you Brooks users enjoy your flavour of Koolaid. It just isn't to everyone elses tastes. Sally forth and enjoy your steel railed, leather, crotch hammock. I hear Marino jersey are also making a come back. Perhaps I should dig my old Rivat's out of the closet and see if the cleats are still nailed in the correct position:-)
Well..... for precisely the reason that it is still around after one hundred years, an yes I did read your post.
First, I'm sure you carry an extra half pound of flab somewhere making the extra weight irrelevant.
Second it requires no maintenance , rode today in a hard rain and it is fine.
Third the break in is fast and even before the break in it is far superior to your Fizik's, Sella's, Specialized whatever' s. But you sally forth on your plastic seat and I will continue to relish the bliss that is Brooks. Heck, if it didn't work for you 25 years ago you probably misread the instructions. Either that or you possess an ignorant ass
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p.s., you do realize I hope that I say all this in a tongue in cheek manner I hope. Seriously though do love Brooks and realize they are not for everyone
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Go forth my wool wearing, leather suspended fredly, luddite, friend and spread your gospel.

I will appreciate you for who you are. Just as I appreciate the 30 year old steel framed bike in the corner of my garage and that pair of wood soled Rivat's in my closet.

But, realize some of us will embrace technology and the advancement of our sport. As superior materials and processes become available we will adorn ourselves in moisture transporting, quick drying fabrics, sit upon carbon, plastic and elastomeric gel saddles covered in synthetics and transfer our power through soles made of carbon and thermo resins.

And, still be just as slow as we ever were.
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Originally Posted by bigfred
Go forth my wool wearing, leather suspended fredly, luddite, friend and spread your gospel.

I will appreciate you for who you are. Just as I appreciate the 30 year old steel framed bike in the corner of my garage and that pair of wood soled Rivat's in my closet.

But, realize some of us will embrace technology and the advancement of our sport. As superior materials and processes become available we will adorn ourselves in moisture transporting, quick drying fabrics, sit upon carbon, plastic and elastomeric gel saddles covered in synthetics and transfer our power through soles made of carbon and thermo resins.

And, still be just as slow as we ever were.
I too have a beautiful old steel bike. My current ride is a Merlin Lunaris 2004 with campy record ten speed. I trying to keep with the modern bike look I went through many saddles. All left me battered and bruised and so, despite the clash I went back to the old standby.
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Originally Posted by surgeonstone
I too have a beautiful old steel bike. My current ride is a Merlin Lunaris 2004 with campy record ten speed. I trying to keep with the modern bike look I went through many saddles. All left me battered and bruised and so, despite the clash I went back to the old standby.
And, when I pulled an old Turbo out, it was like being reacquainted with that pair of custom leather shoes you mentioned. While my experience with a Brooks Pro was more reminiscent of some form of medieval torture device that never did "break in". But, instead was "breaking me".

Anyhoow, enough of this. I'm going to go take the Turbomatic for a spin:-)
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