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bpr 09-22-12 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by Beaker (Post 14762775)
Go find people who ride faster than you with cheaper gear - that helps to realign one's focus.

yep

DaveWC 09-22-12 08:23 PM

My past hobbies included salt water aquariums, first edition book collecting and digital photography. Cycling was a hobby throughout the entire period & though I like to own nice bikes, nice cycling kits & accessories, it's still the cheapest hobby & the most healthy. There are a lot worse things I could spend money on & a lot more expensive. I enjoyed cycling when I only owned a Diamondback Topanga and I enjoy it more now with my Madone 5.2. So long as I continue to put up big mileage it's all worth it to me. When owning bikes & buying equipment becomes more important than riding the bikes & using the equipment I'll know I have a problem.

surgeonstone 09-22-12 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by rbart4506 (Post 14763723)
Really?? Do you factor in food??

OP, you want to curb upraditis?? Then start racing! You'll sink all your money into licensing, race fees, travel costs and everything thing else to keep you going in peak form. There won't be much left for all the other stuff...

Foods from the fridge- nothing special, OJ, PB and J. No fancy stuff.

StanSeven 09-22-12 09:02 PM

Improving your riding and fitness doesn't have to be at odds with spending and upgrading your bike. You can train to ride faster and longer ith out spending a cent. Or you can buy new things like Di2, aero wheels, a Garmin, new frame, new bars, etc., because it's fun, the bike looks better, it's lighter, etc. In short, you buy for the enjoyment. Then there are the things that do both like a power meter.

Gjc985 09-22-12 09:35 PM

Nope not for me atleast. All needs not wants... Its an expensive sport, but each purchase feels sooo good

Astrozombie 09-22-12 11:08 PM

But when you see people around you buying new cars you say "Baahhhhh what's the big deal!!! A $500 bike or pair of headphones isn't really THAT much!" :roflmao2:

YOJiMBO20 09-23-12 12:09 AM


Originally Posted by Astrozombie (Post 14764105)
But when you see people around you buying new cars you say "Baahhhhh what's the big deal!!! A $500 bike or pair of headphones isn't really THAT much!" :roflmao2:

$500 bike?
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Machka 09-23-12 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by surgeonstone (Post 14763518)
Yeah, it does. Buy quality, realize it is largely the ride, not the stuff that makes a ride great, recognize more stuff will not make you happier.
My total costs cycling this year- 25dollars.

I don't think my annual cycling costs have been that low since ... oh ... probably before I started cycling, when I was 3 years old. :lol:

But then I factor in everything cycling-related when I think about the cost of cycling ......... new or new-to-me bicycles, parts, repairs, cycling-related clothing, panniers, food I buy during my ride, any "special" nutritional stuff I might occasionally buy (like gu, energy bars, etc.), event fees, membership fees, travelling costs when I tour/travel with my bicycle, gym memberships and spinning classes during the winter to keep me in shape ......

Machka 09-23-12 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by MarkThailand (Post 14763718)
This should be similar to how we run our lives or businesses.

Graduate college or graduate school, first job, 401k, first car, marry, first house, first kid, 403b, second kid, 403b, second car, retirement plan savings, first company - minimal to no debt, then bikes!

I've opted for quite a different approach to life. Minimal to no debt ... but a very different approach than that which has me surrounded by bicycles, sitting on a beach in France. :D



And my approach to building up a bicycle collection has been to ride an inexpensive bicycle until I could afford something better, then ride that until I decide I want something a bit different, then get that when I can afford it ...

Astrozombie 09-23-12 04:19 AM

Well i wouldn't ride through my neighborhood with anymore more expensive if i wasn't packing some heat (Which you can't in this state) :crash:

Drag 09-23-12 04:25 AM

Dear Santa -

Ive been good this year (by my standards).

I still need a CX bike and would like a new MTB.

Thanks.

John_V 09-23-12 05:42 AM

For those that think cycling is expensive, don't get into show cars. It's the never ending money pit.

hhnngg1 09-23-12 05:44 AM

No upgraditis here. Bought my top-end CF bike in 2008 and have been happy with it. It's actually too much bike for me, even though I ride/race seriously.

I have found that as a general principle, the pleasure of the shopping hunt far exceeds the actual ownership of the item. Drooling over hot bikes is fun and is free. Owning one of those bikes immediately shuts down the reality of buying more of them unless you're very wealthy. Has been true for most things in life.

I buy what I NEED, and nothing else, whenever possible. I still love to look at stuff and window shop, but I put that into a different category of activity separate from the shopping.

Has prevented me from spending any unnecessary money on this expensive sport despite being pretty serious about it for the past 5 years.

Cookiemonsta 09-23-12 05:56 AM

There is one other thing I am guilty of that I do not see being mentioned too often. So i am not sure if it is a common thing,

But I also find myself spending too much money on gear and accessories. I have both a Fizik Antares and a Fizik Aliante, that I bought recently. I have about 3 other saddles that go unused, another 2 on vintage bikes which had original saddles that did not agree with me. Kinda sickens me to think of what I spent on saddles alone.

Then there is helmets. I had a Bell sweep, but I wanted my friend who now sometimes comes for rides with me to wear a helmet as well. I know this is partly me justifying buying a new Giro Atmos. I also got new winter gloves, socks, thermal tights and a bunch of other stuff that was on sale in summer. Oh I changed my bartape recently to match the saddle, I bought new Oakley sunglasses even though my old Uvex glasses are still fine, and I bought two jerseys just because they looked cool...

Apart from the winter gear that is arguably all money better spent on bikes. But if you are happy with the bikes you have, what to do..... :p . I tell you one thing though, it is kinda nice to have gear for every situation and be comfortable an year round. At a certain point, I really believe that investing in gear does more for your overall experience (especially if you train in all conditions) than the bike.

eja_ bottecchia 09-23-12 06:07 AM

Meh!

surgeonstone 09-23-12 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Machka (Post 14764332)
I don't think my annual cycling costs have been that low since ... oh ... probably before I started cycling, when I was 3 years old. :lol:

But then I factor in everything cycling-related when I think about the cost of cycling ......... new or new-to-me bicycles, parts, repairs, cycling-related clothing, panniers, food I buy during my ride, any "special" nutritional stuff I might occasionally buy (like gu, energy bars, etc.), event fees, membership fees, travelling costs when I tour/travel with my bicycle, gym memberships and spinning classes during the winter to keep me in shape ......

Well you really do get around the world well and have a great combo with the husband involved. I admire that but my cycling is entirely local, out the back door and onto the road. Now I am not saying it is always that low. The bike I purchased 8 years ago was 7000 us dollars. My wife would say I have a very expensive hobby. When I buy clothes I buy the best, Ibex Merino wool, and when I replace anything I go quality rather than price. But the whole upgradititis thing I think really shows, and forgive me if I offend any posters out there , a spiritual or psychic hole that one is trying to fill with the wrong thing.
Sometimes tragedy is what shakes one up enough to see that all the cars, stuff etc is basically just junk. It can realign ones priorities. I know it did for me and my wife.

Golfster 09-23-12 07:12 AM

Cycling is cheap compared to golf, another hobby of mine. Club fees, balls, clothes, clubs, shoes and time add up quickly.

bianchi10 09-23-12 07:58 AM

For me no, it never ends. I'm rarely satisfied with a current set up of anything I have. There is always something g u can do to change/upgrade for fun or performance. I like to change things up, it keeps me excited. I'm like you, on eBay, CL, and about 5 other sites researching, browsing and looking through for deals or items that I can put on my "I need" (but don't really) list.

Aeolis 09-23-12 08:09 AM

Now I'm browsing wool stores looking for some decent winter stuff!

surgeonstone 09-23-12 08:23 AM

Crap, hope I am not contributing to your "issues".]

Machka 09-23-12 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by surgeonstone (Post 14764581)
Well you really do get around the world well and have a great combo with the husband involved. I admire that but my cycling is entirely local, out the back door and onto the road. Now I am not saying it is always that low. The bike I purchased 8 years ago was 7000 us dollars. My wife would say I have a very expensive hobby. When I buy clothes I buy the best, Ibex Merino wool, and when I replace anything I go quality rather than price. But the whole upgradititis thing I think really shows, and forgive me if I offend any posters out there , a spiritual or psychic hole that one is trying to fill with the wrong thing.
Sometimes tragedy is what shakes one up enough to see that all the cars, stuff etc is basically just junk. It can realign ones priorities. I know it did for me and my wife.

Traumatic life events, like what Rowan and I have been through, also show the need to get out there and enjoy life. We don't have a lot of stuff in general, but we do have a variety of things with which we can enjoy life ... such as a fairly wide collection of different types of bicycles. It isn't really upgradititis, it's more like ... this type of cycling is fun, but what would we need to try that type of cycling.

We're also venturing into water sports as well. Rowan likes sailing ... I'm not quite sure about it, but we're sort of building up toward it with a canoe, surf skis, boogie boards ...

Rowan 09-23-12 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by surgeonstone (Post 14764581)
The bike I purchased 8 years ago was 7000 us dollars. My wife would say I have a very expensive hobby. When I buy clothes I buy the best, Ibex Merino wool, and when I replace anything I go quality rather than price. But the whole upgradititis thing I think really shows, and forgive me if I offend any posters out there , a spiritual or psychic hole that one is trying to fill with the wrong thing.
Sometimes tragedy is what shakes one up enough to see that all the cars, stuff etc is basically just junk. It can realign ones priorities. I know it did for me and my wife.

You've hit a nail on the head about buying the best quality you can afford. But even then, buying wisely fits this criteria, too.

Case in point. My fixie is probably the best-riding bike I have. I got the steel Shogun frame for nothing at the local rubbish dump. But then I spent $400 putting decent rims, hubs, bars, fenders and suchlike on it.

I ran around for a long time on a cheap, new $600 mountain bike. It was well maintained, and lasted me for 10,000km of commuting and other riding, including a lot of touring. The touring bike that replaced it cost around $1200, and has lasted more than 56,000km of commuting, randonneuring, time-trialling, touring, and utility cycling. Of course, there were upgrades, and that added to the cost, but generally they were when items wore out anyway.

They are what I consider wise purchases.

The other "newer" bikes I have are built up from frames with what I consider to be astute buying on the internet. The exception was our tandem bought off the shelf, but it has mods to suit us, too, and it was "last year's" model so it was at a good price.

I have bought bike trailers, I have built trailers and have one another dump find to refurbish when we get home. I have built up a comprehensive tool set and am always on the lookout to upgrade because when I
"retire" I might go into wrenching. It all interests me.

I went through a tragedy with bushfires in 2009. THAT made me realise that our lives could finish instantly, and that we might be better off working and enjoying the fruits of our labours than worrying about whether I should upgrade because I've been told I shouldn't by someone in the internet who probably spends four or five times than we do on alcohol and socialising every week.

And finally, if it wasn't for people like us who like to wisely upgrade their bikes, clothing, gear and tools, and have a broader outlook on cycling than most, then they wouldn't be able to offer their considered opinions on forums like this to people who are too lazy or too mean or are simply incapable through circumstance to find out for themselves.

Looigi 09-23-12 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Beaker (Post 14762775)
Go find people who ride faster than you with cheaper gear - that helps to realign one's focus.

Exactly! Once I realized I couldn't compete on speed, I saw that I could easily to outdistance them in spending on the bike and associated bling.

kimconyc 09-23-12 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Aeolis (Post 14762600)
The non stop upgraditis and the want of a new ride? How many of you are content with what you have?

I can't seem to keep dollars in my pocket. As soon as I stack some money I obsess over ways to blow it on my bike. Everyday I'm on eBay and Craigslist not for anything specific mind you, I just look for bikes or upgrades. Anyone feel like i feel

Does it ever end?

Unless cycling ceases to be a hobby or you die first, no. But its probably not a good idea to let cycling become an obsession.

Maybe try and do something completely different for a change, like plan a road trip over a week or two with some buddies to somewhere you have never been and also bring your bike(s). You might see the forest from the trees, perhaps even literally. You might come back with a different attitude about why you want to spend a lot of your money and time on bikes.

surgeonstone 09-23-12 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Rowan (Post 14764912)
You've hit a nail on the head about buying the best quality you can afford. But even then, buying wisely fits this criteria, too.

Case in point. My fixie is probably the best-riding bike I have. I got the steel Shogun frame for nothing at the local rubbish dump. But then I spent $400 putting decent rims, hubs, bars, fenders and suchlike on it.

I ran around for a long time on a cheap, new $600 mountain bike. It was well maintained, and lasted me for 10,000km of commuting and other riding, including a lot of touring. The touring bike that replaced it cost around $1200, and has lasted more than 56,000km of commuting, randonneuring, time-trialling, touring, and utility cycling. Of course, there were upgrades, and that added to the cost, but generally they were when items wore out anyway.

They are what I consider wise purchases.

The other "newer" bikes I have are built up from frames with what I consider to be astute buying on the internet. The exception was our tandem bought off the shelf, but it has mods to suit us, too, and it was "last year's" model so it was at a good price.

I have bought bike trailers, I have built trailers and have one another dump find to refurbish when we get home. I have built up a comprehensive tool set and am always on the lookout to upgrade because when I
"retire" I might go into wrenching. It all interests me.

I went through a tragedy with bushfires in 2009. THAT made me realise that our lives could finish instantly, and that we might be better off working and enjoying the fruits of our labours than worrying about whether I should upgrade because I've been told I shouldn't by someone in the internet who probably spends four or five times than we do on alcohol and socialising every week.

And finally, if it wasn't for people like us who like to wisely upgrade their bikes, clothing, gear and tools, and have a broader outlook on cycling than most, then they wouldn't be able to offer their considered opinions on forums like this to people who are too lazy or too mean or are simply incapable through circumstance to find out for themselves.

There is a great quote from one of my favorite movies, an Australian movie from the 80's called Breaker Morant. In it the lead character facing his execution says " Live every day as though it's your last for one day you are sure to be right. Personal tragedy tends to put things into perspective. When it occurs it allows one to see clearly what is and is not important. That is, if you survive it.


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