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Upgrades that make a difference: shifters?

Old 10-17-12, 02:40 PM
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Upgrades that make a difference: shifters?

I just changed my fsa carbon crankset to an ultegra, and notice a big improvement, especially in front derailleur shifting. I'm wondering what I might consider next that I would actually be able to notice a change in. (I understand that looks and weight matter to some people, but not so much to me right now.)

I have Rival shifters and derailleurs. I read somewhere that Red shifters might be a noticeable improvement. What do you think?

I have Mavic Ksyrium Elite wheels. You can also suggest something there. I don't race.
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Old 10-17-12, 02:49 PM
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If your shifters are uncomfortable, and the red ones have better ergonomics for your hands, then you'll probably notice a difference. But I wouldn't expect them to shift much better.
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Old 10-17-12, 02:50 PM
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If you have the old silver shifters you may like the new ones with 'zero loss' on the front. Red shifters give you the Zero Loss on the rear, too, but most people don't find it that noticeable there.
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And as far as wheels go, Ksyrium Elites should be all you need if you don't race or plan on it. Great bombproof, stiff wheels. Just ride the bike as is and replace stuff as it wears out.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
If your shifters are uncomfortable, and the red ones have better ergonomics for your hands, then you'll probably notice a difference. But I wouldn't expect them to shift much better.
the new Red with the yaw FD shifts much better than Rival. i just did that upgrade and thought I might be able to tell a little difference, but probably not a lot. I was wrong. Zero loss is awesome on the new Red. Much better than Rival. The ergonomcs of the new shifters are much better too, but the shifting is just great.
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Originally Posted by rangerdavid View Post
the new Red with the yaw FD shifts much better than Rival. i just did that upgrade and thought I might be able to tell a little difference, but probably not a lot. I was wrong.
It doesn't get you the chain catcher, but but you can get a similar shifting improvement by switching to a $20 Tiagra FD.
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Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
It doesn't get you the chain catcher, but but you can get a similar shifting improvement by switching to a $20 Tiagra FD.
I had Tiagra. Then went to Rival. Huge difference. Rival to Red. Huge difference again. No comparison in the FD shifting.
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Originally Posted by rangerdavid View Post
I had Tiagra. Then went to Rival. Huge difference. Rival to Red. Huge difference again. No comparison in the FD shifting.
If you haven't actually tried a shimano FD in an otherwise Rival bike you don't know what you are talking about.
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Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
If you haven't actually tried a shimano FD in an otherwise Rival bike you don't know what you are talking about.
first of all, thank you for your intelligent assessment.

second, if you think a tiagra FD shifts anywhere near as good as the Red Yaw FD, you're just as nuts as your posting sounds.
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Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
It doesn't get you the chain catcher, but but you can get a similar shifting improvement by switching to a $20 Tiagra FD.
I did not appreciate the hot coffee that ended up on my computer from the coughing and laughing from this post that you appear to think is factual.

I hope you were being sarcastic.
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Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
If you haven't actually tried a shimano FD in an otherwise Rival bike you don't know what you are talking about.
Geez, you did it twice.
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Originally Posted by rangerdavid View Post
first of all, thank you for your intelligent assessment.

second, if you think a tiagra FD shifts anywhere near as good as the Red Yaw FD, you're just as nuts as your posting sounds.
I have tried both, on sram systems. You apparently haven't. So maybe I am nuts, but in this matter you are ignorant.
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Old 10-18-12, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
Geez, you did it twice.
I already knew you were simpleminded, the demonstration wasn't really necessary.
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Originally Posted by rangerdavid View Post
the new Red with the yaw FD shifts much better than Rival. i just did that upgrade and thought I might be able to tell a little difference, but probably not a lot. I was wrong. Zero loss is awesome on the new Red. Much better than Rival. The ergonomcs of the new shifters are much better too, but the shifting is just great.
I stand corrected.
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Old 10-18-12, 09:45 AM
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I don't think the functionality improvement of red over rival is worth the $300 upgrade. Now, if you're already buying shifters then get red.
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Originally Posted by rangerdavid View Post
I had Tiagra. Then went to Rival. Huge difference. Rival to Red. Huge difference again. No comparison in the FD shifting.
I had RED shifters with a tiagra FD and it was fine, never a problem, really quick shifts. I got the new RED yaw FD and (after getting it setup right) it's noticeably better, but effectively the same. It's not worth the upgrade unless you get a great deal or want everything to match
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Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
I already knew you were simpleminded, the demonstration wasn't really necessary.
I know you are but what am I?

Almost like working in the shop except at the shop I can't laugh and have to be diplomatic when people say outrageous things from a compete lack of knowledge...but they read it on the internet. LOL.
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