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JonnyV 11-15-12 04:57 AM

I carried a Ruger LCP in my jersey pocket. Great little gun for conceal carry, I couldn't even tell it was there. You want this to be a last resort though.

GriffontheRock 11-15-12 05:06 AM

If I may add my 2 cents. VERY BAD IDEA.

contango 11-15-12 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by Porkponey (Post 14950027)
It's worth saying again. This is an awful idea. This isn't hollywood. People don't just run scared when they see a weapon.

Not sure that's necessarily true. I know a couple of people who have defused aggression by simply letting the other guy catch a glimpse of their handgun. A lot will depend on just what the other guy is after and how far he is willing to go to get it. Of course that leads on to...


If for any reason we got into some sort of altercation, regardless of who started it, and you pulled that reasonably real looking gun on me, I would shoot you. With my real gun. In real life. With real bullets. You would either suffer real injuries or die a real death. And I'm a friendly guy that wouldn't pull my gun until the absolutely very WORST of circumstances. Please consider the fact that the bad guy won't be as kind.
... which has a good chance of happening if the other guy is prepared to use deadly force. If it's just some punk trying to act tough the sight of a gun may persuade him to find another target. If it's an organised gang member (or entire gang) there's a decent chance they'll cut the niceties and pull their own weapons, which makes the situation 1000 times worse.

antmeeks 11-15-12 05:48 AM

There just aren't enough adjectives for the word stupid to describe this.

But let's take a step back...

1. Don't carry a weapon (or facsimile) unless it is legal for you to do so.
2. If it is legal, make sure it's a real one that you can use to really defend yourself.
3. Make sure you are effectively trained on how to use it - and able to keep someone from getting it and turning it on you.
4. Run first, after throwing whatever valuable property you have in the opposite direction.
5. Don't brandish it. Only pull it out if you intend to immediately use it - to kill. And only if there is simply no other option for survival.
6. Don't be a SUPREME idiot by willingly & repeatedly going into dangerous areas at night and alone.

Again, I can't stress enough the importance of number 6. Failure to understand and comply makes you an automatic winner of the Darwin Award.

Campag4life 11-15-12 05:58 AM

^^^+1 Well stated.

Gotta love fake gun threads. Gives more credence to the term poseur...only with possible deadly consequences.
Some people never quite grasp the concept of being dead right. Of course some of them are no longer with us.

R1lee 11-15-12 06:27 AM

That is just the stupidest idea ever. If you're going to get into trouble when riding, than the saying goes, don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Or don't bring a toy to a knife fight.

rangerdavid 11-15-12 06:31 AM

that's an absolutely insane idea.

ticktockpedal 11-15-12 06:39 AM

this idea is a NO GO. you will not succeed with this plan even if the idea sounds good. Use pepper spray and be careful where you ride.

John_V 11-15-12 07:03 AM

The biggest problem with people brandishing a fake gun is that they get killed with real bullets.

qcpmsame 11-15-12 07:20 AM

+1 for the bad idea replies, You need to realize that state laws like Florida's "Stand Your Ground" would allow the person you brandished that fake gun at could legally defend them selves with deadly force. Many arguments about this law across the nation but the reality is that you are putting yourself at risk with this "gun" You may be legally "Right" in having it, but when some concealed carry holder or a banger sees that gun you could well be killed and then you would be Dead Right.

Oh, ****

X-LinkedRider 11-15-12 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by zonatandem (Post 14949979)
In AZ anyone can carry an unconcealed weapon . . . no permit.

Here in PA as well. Open carry laws are active and very well utilized here in PA as well as AZ, WV

jrobe 11-15-12 07:32 AM

You need a bike trainer more than a toy gun.

merlinextraligh 11-15-12 07:43 AM

The OP has accomplished something unique to my knowledge in Bike Forum history: consensus in a gun thread. Both the pro gun and anti gun folks think this is stupid.

ursle 11-15-12 07:45 AM

This is a decision that's gonna get someone killed

Just carry your phone with a camera, pull it out and video anyone intrusive, get a go-pro helmet camera if you wish, but even a police person will shoot you if you pull out a device designed to deceive in a dudly do-right kind of way.

chipcom 11-15-12 07:52 AM

If you are stupid enough to carry a fake firearm, you are too stupid to carry a real one.

david58 11-15-12 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh (Post 14950586)
The OP has accomplished something unique to my knowledge in Bike Forum history: consensus in a gun thread. Both the pro gun and anti gun folks think this is stupid.

:thumb:

Trsnrtr 11-15-12 07:59 AM

If you're going to carry, do it right. :D

http://home.comcast.net/~trsnrtr/ak_corsa.jpg

kingfishr 11-15-12 08:21 AM

Better mount a gopro front and back on your bike, sooner or later you or the coroner is going to need evidence of what really happened.

catonec 11-15-12 08:26 AM

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Kimber pepper blaster or Smack stungun. plenty effective without killing anyone

tagaproject6 11-15-12 09:19 AM

****
These type of threads never end well. Same goes for the OP's idea.

mpath 11-15-12 09:24 AM

The OP hasn't responded. Troll or enough of a thrashing? Of all the stupid threads in the 41, this is the dumbest. Worse even than the "what colour is your chamois" thread.

bonz50 11-15-12 09:37 AM

"You should never point a loaded gun at anyone. This is not a hard and fast rule, however. A hard and fast rule is that you should never, ever, point an unloaded gun at anyone." --P.J. O'Rourke

RT 11-15-12 09:41 AM

I thought about this after I got shot at with blow darts on a night commute home. After some self-deliberation, I decided it was better to find another route, then finally to ride during the daylight hours only. Last thing I wanted to do was provoke someone who had a real gun.

Live to ride another day, even if it means giving into idiot motorists at night.

AndyK 11-15-12 09:46 AM

I would spend a little money on a bike carrier that you can hook onto your car. Drive to a nicer neighborhood! Why would you bike in a dangerous area where you know you will be messed with?

PS--That airsoft pistol definietly looks more like a Sig!

FrenchFit 11-15-12 09:48 AM

I hear you yo, ridin dirty in the badlands of Orange County, CA - correct?. However, brandishing is going to require riding one handed, why risk it? I say wear a big ol fake dynamite vest with a whole bunch of wires running to a button on your wrist. Deck your bike out in a terrorist motif, maybe shave your head!

Ain't no lifted pick-ups going to be messing with you dude! Escalate, escalate, escalate!


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