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Wheels: Fulcrum 0 vs Chris King 28 sp. DT Swiss aero lite and Open Pro or Stans Alph

Old 11-26-12, 07:25 PM
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Wheels: Fulcrum 0 vs Chris King 28 sp. DT Swiss aero lite and Open Pro or Stans Alph

Not looking for another harsh ride!
I am on a 2001 Litespeed Vortex now. Campy Rec. 10 32 spoke open pro rims.
I most likely will buy a Wilier Cento 1 with Campy Chorus and need a good quality set of wheels.
Me 6'1" 170 or so pounds and I ride in all weather and roads.
The sales guy says get the Fulcrum zero wheels. about $800
Would another set of Fulcrums be better?
I do not want a harsh riding wheel!

Another seemingly great guy at Colorado Cyclist Greg says to have them build Chris King hubs 28 spokes DT Swiss aero lite spokes and either Open Pro or Stans Alpha 340 rims. about $900
Or some other wheel?
Difference in: hub bodies, free hub/cassette body, bearings and races, spokes, rim qualities?
Weight, and aero differences?
What say you guys?
Thank you.

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Old 11-26-12, 07:31 PM
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Tire pressure changes the ride far more than wheels. What pressures you running? 23mm or 25mm tires?

I hesitate to recommend Open Pros because I have had such poor luck with them- I have broken three. They're also kind of heavy, at least for such a flexy rim.
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Originally Posted by mtnbikerva1 View Post
Not looking for another harsh ride!
I am on a 2001 Litespeed Vortex now. Campy Rec. 10 32 spoke open pro rims.
I most likely will buy a Wilier Cento 1 with Campy Chorus and need a good quality set of wheels.
Me 6'1" 170 or so pounds and I ride in all weather and roads.
The sales guy says get the Fulcrum zero wheels. about $800
Would another set of Fulcrums be better?
I do not want a harsh riding wheel!

Another seemingly great guy at Colorado Cyclist Greg says to have them build Chris King hubs 28 spokes DT Swiss aero lite spokes and either Open Pro or Stans Alpha 340 rims. about $900
Or some other wheel?
Difference in: hub bodies, free hub/cassette body, bearings and races, spokes, rim qualities?
Weight, and aero differences?
What say you guys?
Thank you.
Ehh.. neither. Zero's are great race wheels, and that's a good price, but for training I would go with something a bit wider and more robust - it's a fairly old design now. CK hubs are great, but very pricey. Stans 340s will NOT hold up to everyday riding unless you ride excellent roads. Even OPs are an old design prone to cracking at the eyelets. They would both end up around 1500g with similar aerodynamics.

If you want a softer riding wheel, look for one with a wider rim (23mm) and more spokes with a lower tension, 2x/3x. Really, you should talk to a custom builder as you clearly know what you want. And at your budget you can definitely get it. Something like a Velocity A23 or HED Ardennes rims on the hub of your choice would ride very comfortably. Also consider running 25 tires if you're not already.
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Old 11-26-12, 08:59 PM
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I am 6'2" 165# and have zeros amoungst other wheels which i ride on my C59. I can tell you that the zeros are a nice stiff wheel, they roll well and drag less than other wheels due to the aero spokes. they are also the harshest riding wheel I have ever owned.

If you want supple, the zeros are not it

Edit, I also ride some velocity fusion rims on a PT hub which makes a very floppy wheel, it may be the build quality of my wheels but those rims are quite poor in my opinion. DT swiss have some nice welded rims out this year with a offset rear that would build up in to a nice wheel, go for maybe 28 spoke rear and 24 front with hubs of your choice and you would probably be quite happy

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Old 11-26-12, 09:27 PM
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Usually, more spokes = softer ride. Ceteris paribus
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Old 11-26-12, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by lazerzxr View Post
I am 6'2" 165# and have zeros amoungst other wheels which i ride on my C59. I can tell you that the zeros are a nice stiff wheel, they roll well and drag less than other wheels due to the aero spokes. they are also the harshest riding wheel I have ever owned.

If you want supple, the zeros are not it

Edit, I also ride some velocity fusion rims on a PT hub which makes a very floppy wheel, it may be the build quality of my wheels but those rims are quite poor in my opinion. DT swiss have some nice welded rims out this year with a offset rear that would build up in to a nice wheel, go for maybe 28 spoke rear and 24 front with hubs of your choice and you would probably be quite happy
I have to disagree on the harshness of the Fulcrum Zeros. I run a set of Fulcrum Zero Competition on my C59. I have also used Campy Eurus on the C59 (they are now on the Bianchi). I have Ambrosio Excellence on my Bottecchia. Additionally I have used various models of Mavic wheels.

The Fulcrum Zero Competition wheels are not any harsher of any of the wheels I have ever used in 25+ years of riding.

They are stii, they roll well, drag less and transmit power almost instantenously...but they are not harsh.

I run Veloflex tires with latex inner tubes...maybe that makes a difference.

BTW, you have great taste in bikes.
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Old 11-27-12, 08:20 PM
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BTW, you have great taste in bikes. [/QUOTE]

Cheers, I guess everyone just feels things differently. I like the wheels, they ride great, but I do find them harsh. It may be partly due to my other wheels being relatively soft I guess. The front one is fine, probably due to the fantastic C59 fork, however the rear feels a bit hard at times when my other wheels dont. Maybe they aren't PARTICULARLY harsh but at the same time I wouldn't recommend them to someone who was looking specifically for a comfortable ride.

IME I would agree with the above post that the more spokes you have the more comfortable the ride - in general of course.
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Chris King with Alphas. Or even better Chris King with HEd C2 rims
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Old 11-28-12, 10:45 AM
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Personally, I would do the Chris King's to an Alpha 400. Still tubeless, but supposedly beefy enough to ride every day.
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I have a pair of fulcrum 1 clincher's from a couple years ago and a pair of King r45's laced to HED c2 tubulars (24/28 radial/2x), so its not a direct comparison, but I've got a pretty good idea. The king hubs are literally the best I've ever ridden and laced to the HEDs, its like riding on a cloud. The fulcrums are lighter and probably a little stiffer, but still pretty smooth with a good 25c tire. They're both good wheels, but if I had to pick one, it would be the Kings. For reference I'm 5'10 150, and ride a CAAD9
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