Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

conti grand prix 4 season vs gatorskins

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

conti grand prix 4 season vs gatorskins

Old 12-23-12, 11:14 AM
  #1  
bikerjp
Beer >> Sanity
Thread Starter
 
bikerjp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,449

Bikes: 2014 Evo DA2, 2010 Caad9-4, 2011 Synapse-4, 2013 CaadX-disc

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
conti grand prix 4 season vs gatorskins

I'm tired of getting flats on the crummy winter roads (gravel, salt, glass, plastic shards, etc.). I'm using gp4000s now so was thinking of trying the 4 seasons or gatorskins. From what I can tell, the gators are a bit heavier so probably thicker but both have similar puncture resistant layers. I suspect the gators are a bit more resistant overall but how do they ride compared to the gp4000s? I think the 4 season should be similar to the gp4000s given they are modeled on those. Thanks.
bikerjp is offline  
Old 12-23-12, 11:26 AM
  #2  
George
Senior Member
 
George's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Katy Texas
Posts: 5,628

Bikes: Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 80 Post(s)
Liked 42 Times in 23 Posts
I like the 4 seasons better. I really get good milage out of them and very few flats.
__________________
George
George is offline  
Old 12-23-12, 11:55 AM
  #3  
johnny99
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Northern California
Posts: 10,879
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 104 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
The Gatorskins come in both wire and Kevlar bead versions. The Kevlar bead version is lighter weight and probably the same as the 4 seasons. I have used both 4 seasons and Gatorskins and run both all the way down to the cords without getting any flats. Supposedly, the 4 seasons have better grip in wet conditions, but we don't get enough rain around here for me to really verify that. Since most flats happen on the rear tire for most people, you can put the Gatorskin on your rear only, and keep using the 4000s on the front for better road feel.
johnny99 is offline  
Old 12-23-12, 12:47 PM
  #4  
Pain
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 118
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
What Conti did is take some 4000 rubber and put it on a Gatorskin casing and you have 4Seasons. 4Seasons have better grip but not as supple as 4000s. Gatorskins are a good rear tire since they wear better but I like more grip on the front (mainly hilly & curvy wet Seattle area roads), so 4Seasons or 4000s is a much better choice for the front tire. Tire choice really come down to your local road conditions and how hard your going to be riding. Gatorskins have such low grip that if I am going to be pushing it hard on wet roads that even on the rear I choose a sticky rubber tire, but on long easy dry rides they are a good choice since they wear well and don't puncture very easy. 4Seasons have good grip but ride kind of hard and dead like the Gatorskins and the soft rubber get surface cuts wears fast but the casing is pretty good as stopping punctures. 4000s have a dreamy ride and good grip but they puncture easy.
Pain is offline  
Old 12-23-12, 12:54 PM
  #5  
banerjek
Portland Fred
 
banerjek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 11,548

Bikes: Custom Winter, Challenge Seiran SL, Fuji Team Pro, Cattrike Road/Velokit, РOS hybrid

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 232 Post(s)
Liked 51 Times in 33 Posts
The GS has a miserable ride, but they might not be a bad choice for your application though you'll still get flats. I'd try the 4 seasons first.
banerjek is offline  
Old 12-23-12, 01:58 PM
  #6  
Carbon Unit
Live to ride ride to live
 
Carbon Unit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 4,896

Bikes: Calfee Tetra Pro

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I had 4 Seasons when I got back into riding. I didn't realize how badly they rode until I put GP4000s on. The difference was drastic. I wouldn't go back but might consider putting a 4 seasons on the back and a 4000s on the front.
Carbon Unit is offline  
Old 12-23-12, 02:00 PM
  #7  
MrCjolsen
Senior Member
 
MrCjolsen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Davis CA
Posts: 3,959

Bikes: Surly Cross-Check, '85 Giant road bike (unrecogizable fixed-gear conversion

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
I flat Gatorskins all the time.
MrCjolsen is offline  
Old 12-23-12, 05:52 PM
  #8  
Tiremaniacs
Member
 
Tiremaniacs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: North Bend, WA
Posts: 30

Bikes: 2012 Litespeed C1R, 2009 Jamis Xenith SL, 2010 Jamis Xenith T, 2012 Ridley X-Fire

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
In order of decreasing durability/puncture resistance and increasing ride quality

gatorskins - bricks but heavy duty
4-season - good all-season for rough conditions or just winter tires
GP 4000S - good 3-season tire

I would not use gatorskins unless commuting on super crappy roads and on-budged. 4-Season is the winter clincher of choice for perf riders loving Contis; some use it in all 4 seasons.

IMHO Schwalbe Ultremo DD is a better all-season/winter clincher than 4-Season. Not by a lot but better. Better pressure range, better protection belt, definitely better grip on dry and especially wet, more supple, only slightly heavier (20 grams per tire), better looking, less expensive (I sell 4-seasons for $46.55 and Ultremo DD for $41.99; if you buy 2 you get 5% off with 5OFFNONSTOPAT75).

Ultremo DDs are narrower than advertised by 1mm. 25mm is more like 24mm.
Tiremaniacs is offline  
Old 12-23-12, 06:07 PM
  #9  
datlas 
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 38,916

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 530 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18644 Post(s)
Liked 5,507 Times in 2,707 Posts
Generally speaking, the better the flat protection, the harsher and heavier the ride.

I agree with 4 seasons unless you are riding on TERRIBLE roads, in which case you could try the gatorskins. If you really want major flat protection and don't care about a heavy and harsher ride, leapfrog over the 4 seasons and go to the gatorskins.

Personally, I just use the GP4000s year-round but my roads aren't too bad in the winter, some grit but not much glass, thankfully.
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28 View Post
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Old 12-23-12, 06:10 PM
  #10  
Carbon Unit
Live to ride ride to live
 
Carbon Unit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 4,896

Bikes: Calfee Tetra Pro

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Tiremaniacs View Post
In order of decreasing durability/puncture resistance and increasing ride quality

gatorskins - bricks but heavy duty
4-season - good all-season for rough conditions or just winter tires
GP 4000S - good 3-season tire

I would not use gatorskins unless commuting on super crappy roads and on-budged. 4-Season is the winter clincher of choice for perf riders loving Contis; some use it in all 4 seasons.

IMHO Schwalbe Ultremo DD is a better all-season/winter clincher than 4-Season. Not by a lot but better. Better pressure range, better protection belt, definitely better grip on dry and especially wet, more supple, only slightly heavier (20 grams per tire), better looking, less expensive (I sell 4-seasons for $46.55 and Ultremo DD for $41.99; if you buy 2 you get 5% off with 5OFFNONSTOPAT75).

Ultremo DDs are narrower than advertised by 1mm. 25mm is more like 24mm.
You have good prices on Ultremo DDs. Bike Tires Direct has them on sales for $65.56. What is your website? I may try them when I am ready for new tires.
Carbon Unit is offline  
Old 12-23-12, 06:13 PM
  #11  
datlas 
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 38,916

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 530 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18644 Post(s)
Liked 5,507 Times in 2,707 Posts
BTW they are incredibly fredly, but apparently the "mr tuffy" tire liners do indeed virtually eliminate flats. I think they also virtually eliminate any good road feel or comfort, but I have never actually tried them. Based on reputation, if you truly wanted to eliminate flats you could go for low performance and use Mr Tuffy...or go for high performance and use road tubeless with latex sealant.
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28 View Post
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Old 12-23-12, 06:31 PM
  #12  
Tiremaniacs
Member
 
Tiremaniacs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: North Bend, WA
Posts: 30

Bikes: 2012 Litespeed C1R, 2009 Jamis Xenith SL, 2010 Jamis Xenith T, 2012 Ridley X-Fire

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Carbon Unit View Post
You have good prices on Ultremo DDs. Bike Tires Direct has them on sales for $65.56. What is your website? I may try them when I am ready for new tires.
Thx
www.tiremaniacs.com as in the signature

Schwalbe Ultremo DD 700x25c
Schwalbe Ultremo DD 700x23c
Conti GP 4-Season 700x25c
Conti GP 4-Season 700x23c
Conti GP 4000S 700x25c
Conti GP 4000S 700x23c
etc
etc

Free USPS Priority shipping.

Feel free to use any of these discount codes:

5% off on any purchase of $75 or more – coupon code 5OFFNONSTOPAT75
10% off on any purchase of $150 or more – coupon code 10OFFNONSTOPAT150

Happy Holidays!!!
Tiremaniacs is offline  
Old 12-23-12, 08:37 PM
  #13  
bikerjp
Beer >> Sanity
Thread Starter
 
bikerjp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,449

Bikes: 2014 Evo DA2, 2010 Caad9-4, 2011 Synapse-4, 2013 CaadX-disc

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks for the info. I ordered some of the 4seasons. Might have to give the ultremo dd a try too.
bikerjp is offline  
Old 12-24-12, 06:49 PM
  #14  
E.S.
just ride
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: North Idaho
Posts: 485

Bikes: '15 Scott Speedster 20

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I use Gatorskin Hardshells. Never used any other Conti products so I don't have that comparison. They aren't a silky ride but they are bulletproof.
E.S. is offline  
Old 12-24-12, 08:05 PM
  #15  
Hank244
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 102
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I tried GatorSkins, once. I'll never ride them, again. BTW, I had more flats on them. I think it's mainly a matter of (good or bad) luck.

4-Seasons weren't half-bad, but I mainly ride GP4000s or Vitorrio Rubino Pro IIIs.
Hank244 is offline  
Old 12-24-12, 08:31 PM
  #16  
Carbonfiberboy 
just another gosling
 
Carbonfiberboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 18,522

Bikes: CoMo Speedster 2003, Trek 5200, CAAD 9, Fred 2004

Mentioned: 112 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3414 Post(s)
Liked 1,386 Times in 1,013 Posts
I'm on Ultremo DD this winter, having found the 4000s too flatty, though I like the tire. The DD flat on glass, too, but I don't think as badly as the 4000s. But the DD do hold really well in the wet, so I'm continuing with them. Fixing a flat is way quicker than fixing road rash. And so far, no sidewall slashes with the DD, which is good. I haven't tried the 4 Seasons, but I like that they use the 4000s rubber. Maybe next winter. I've used Gatorskins and have the same opinion as previous posters. I get my German tires from bike24.
Carbonfiberboy is offline  
Old 12-25-12, 02:16 PM
  #17  
Tiremaniacs
Member
 
Tiremaniacs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: North Bend, WA
Posts: 30

Bikes: 2012 Litespeed C1R, 2009 Jamis Xenith SL, 2010 Jamis Xenith T, 2012 Ridley X-Fire

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
I'm on Ultremo DD this winter, having found the 4000s too flatty, though I like the tire. The DD flat on glass, too, but I don't think as badly as the 4000s. But the DD do hold really well in the wet, so I'm continuing with them. Fixing a flat is way quicker than fixing road rash. And so far, no sidewall slashes with the DD, which is good. I haven't tried the 4 Seasons, but I like that they use the 4000s rubber. Maybe next winter. I've used Gatorskins and have the same opinion as previous posters. I get my German tires from bike24.
IMHO Ultremo DD is in the same category as 4-Season and Ultremo ZX as 4000s. 4-Seasons don't use the same rubber as 4000S. Protection belt is from the same material (with 4-season using double layer) but 4-Seasons do not have Black Chilli which is the big thing in the Conti shop. 4-season will not have the road feel of the 4000S.
Tiremaniacs is offline  
Old 12-25-12, 05:48 PM
  #18  
B. Carfree
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Posts: 7,048
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 509 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Originally Posted by MrCjolsen View Post
I flat Gatorskins all the time.
Originally Posted by Hank244 View Post
I tried GatorSkins, once. I'll never ride them, again. BTW, I had more flats on them. I think it's mainly a matter of (good or bad) luck.
I tried a couple pairs of Gatorskins. I never did get a tire beyond 300 miles before it flatted and tossed all of them before any had reached 1000 miles. 4-Seasons have been the only tires that have held up to the sharp grit my county lays down in the winter months. I have tried various other tires and even went so far as to put Schwalbe Marathon Pluses on and none of the other tires have withstood the razor-like grit like the 4-Seasons. YMMV.
B. Carfree is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
biciklanto
Road Cycling
31
11-30-20 06:36 PM
destro713
Commuting
25
07-04-18 09:40 AM
providencebikes
Bicycle Mechanics
7
04-18-17 08:09 AM
ksauers
Road Cycling
13
10-01-12 10:21 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.