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Raleigh Grand Sport (2004?)

Old 12-27-12, 07:58 PM
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SCOTT Speedster s40 (edited 1-2-2013)

Didn't want to make a new thread, so just modifying this one to fit the new bike I'm looking at.

There is a Scott 2009 speedster s40 for sale for 600. Any opinions on this bike in general and if it's worth that much money?

A quick google search puts the bike at just over 1000 new, and only used one I was able to find was on ebay, which sold for $999 a few months ago.

All I've ever ridden were pretty much older bikes, so would this be a decent entry level bike to step into the new millennium with?

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SCOTT 2009 Speedster S40
Bicycle Type Road race & triathlon
Weight 20.48
Size: 54" (I'm assuming he means centimeters and not inches @.@)
Color Black/White

Frame Construction TIG-welded
Frame Tubing Material Hydraformed 7005 Alloy
Fork Brand & Model Scott Addict
Fork Material Carbon fiber/aluminum steerer, aero crown
Rear Shock Not applicable

Component Group Shimano Tiagra
Brakeset Scott Pro brakes, Shimano Tiagra STI levers
Shift Levers Shimano Tiagra STI
Front Derailleur Shimano Tiagra
Rear Derailleur Shimano Tiagra
Crankset TruVativ Touro Road, 39/53 teeth
Pedals Not included
Bottom Bracket TruVativ, 108mm spindle
BB Shell Width 68mm
Rear Cogs 9-speed, 12 - 26 teeth
Chain Shimano HG-53
Seatpost Alloy, 31.6mm diameter
Saddle Scott Road Pro
Handlebar Scott Road Drop Anatomic
Handlebar Extensions Not included
Handlebar Stem Scott Road Team OS
Headset 1 1/8" Integrated Steel Cup

Wheels
Bontrager, Race Wheels
Weight: 1,120 grams


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I saw a post on craigslist today for someone moving and trying to sell the bike fast to get rid of it. It's a Raleigh Grand Sport, he thinks it's 2004.

He's selling it for 225, including the lock and a pump. I was wondering if it'd be worth that price; but don't know how it would compare with my Cannondale r500 (cad3 frame)

I'm not mechanically inclined, so as far as components go, I don't know what to make of it (aka what's good, why it's good, what's bad, etc.) Was wondering if it'd be an upgrade or a sidegrade to my Cannondale and if it's worth 225 in general (as I'd like to have a second bike anyways, just in case) or if it's a downgrade to my current bike, if I'd be able to sell it at least for the 225 back or possibly more.

Here are pics of the bike, thanks

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If it helps, I had a 2003 Grand Sport, which I sold for $150. The Grand Sport was Raleigh's entry level road bike and went for about $550 new. I think $225 is a bit steep, but not overly so if the condition is good to very good. It rohde a bit roug, having an aluminum frame and cheap steel fork. Mine was used as a back up bike and served well in that capacity. Do not expect too much from it.
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Alright, I'll probably end up passing them; since if I were to buy a new bike, I'd want to upgrade from what I have, not side/downgrade.

I have a CAD3 Cannondale r500. I know there are models of the r1000 that also use a CAD3 frame. I'd assume the difference to be components? Would it be worthwhile to upgrade components to the equivalent of a r1000 (or better)? Would I see a noticeable difference doing that and keeping the same frame I have now?

Ever since my two friends got new bikes from the past year or two, I can still keep up with them, but their speed is noticeably higher. I have to push harder and expend so much more to keep pace as compared to their older bikes.
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Well upgrading can help, depending on what you are upgrading. The most noticealbe difference would be in wheels and, not having an idea of what groupset you are running now prohibits any informative answer regarding components. If you were considering the Raleigh as a backup, it would serve well for that purpose (mine did for 4 years) I would just try to get it for a lower price.

Your groupset will not enable you to be faster than your friends, however. Your current bike is fast enough. If you must upgrade...look into your wheels and tires first....although a backup bike is always a good idea.

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Thanks for both responses by the way.

Is there to determine from looking what kind of a groupset I have; or is it pretty much on paperwork only/if I don't know it already, I'm not going to?

This is what I'm riding now if it makes a diff

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Well I can tell you that your bike is not the problem. Your groupset looks like older Shimano 600 or RSX but I could be wrong. I think the current version is Shimano 105, which is a very good package (I run that on my bike). If you want to check for yourself just look on te front of of the shifters and you will find out. You may want to look into changing your gearing, but that is another matter....and you would be better to get your backup bike if you are going to go that route.
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Driveside shot would work a bit better...
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wow, you're good. Shimano RSX it is.

Just seems weird though, since I know it's the rider rather than the bike, how they could get that much faster. One of the two was using a cannondale r400 (one model under mine) and I always had to slow my pace for him and after swapping his bike for a new one, he's now on equal footing/slightly faster (probably is faster, I just do better on distance/keeping my speed since I've been biking 100+ miles a week for the past 5 years, and currently doing 200/week for the past 6 months; if it wasn't for having that under my belt, these guys would be blowing me away easily)
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It is in the 2004 catalog..
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What kind of riding have you / they been doing? If they have been doing specific training rides, they may have caught up to you and their new bikes may be an added benefit.
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Originally Posted by baj32161 View Post
What kind of riding have you / they been doing? If they have been doing specific training rides, they may have caught up to you and their new bikes may be an added benefit.
Just commuters, like myself, but travel a significant less distance than I do; and I some resistance training in terms of taking the highway when I go to school, so I'm going up 16 ramps a day round trip(8 each way) on the days I go to school; and the change in James' performance in particular was somewhat instant, like the day he got his new bike; wasn't an over time thing.

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Well how much faster have they gotten? A new or different bike, alone, does not make someone a significantly fasetr rider, unless they are going from an old heavy road or mtn bike to a new road bike, and even then the gain is often negligible. In your case, a new bike may, or may not be te answer BUT, I am fairly sure that the Raleigh Grand Sport will not be faster than what you are currently riding. aving said that....it is ALWAYS sweet to have a new higher tech bike.....always

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Based on my speedometer, since I would always let him be in front and let him set the pace (since when I did i was always looking over my back to see if he was still there), he's gone from 16-18mph average to 20-22mph average; which doesn't seem like much, but it is pretty noticeable in both travel time and energy expenditure (at least it is to me) and his acceleration has gone up significantly as well. Every time we have to make a stop whether it's a light or stop sign, more exhausting to get up to reobtain that speed. Usually gets a bit ahead and once my speed starts going up I have to increase it to catch back up; and yea, decided against the raleigh, just going to keep my eyes peeled for a new bike in general though.
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good luck with whatever you decide.
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There is a Scott 2009 speedster s40 for sale for 600. Any opinions on this bike in general and if it's worth that much money?

A quick google search puts the bike at just over 1000 new, and only used one I was able to find was on ebay, which sold for $999 a few months ago.

All I've ever ridden were pretty much older bikes, so would this be a decent entry level bike to step into the new millennium with?

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SCOTT 2009 Speedster S40
Bicycle Type Road race & triathlon
Weight 20.48
Size: 54" (I'm assuming he means centimeters and not inches @.@)
Color Black/White

Frame Construction TIG-welded
Frame Tubing Material Hydraformed 7005 Alloy
Fork Brand & Model Scott Addict
Fork Material Carbon fiber/aluminum steerer, aero crown
Rear Shock Not applicable

Component Group Shimano Tiagra
Brakeset Scott Pro brakes, Shimano Tiagra STI levers
Shift Levers Shimano Tiagra STI
Front Derailleur Shimano Tiagra
Rear Derailleur Shimano Tiagra
Crankset TruVativ Touro Road, 39/53 teeth
Pedals Not included
Bottom Bracket TruVativ, 108mm spindle
BB Shell Width 68mm
Rear Cogs 9-speed, 12 - 26 teeth
Chain Shimano HG-53
Seatpost Alloy, 31.6mm diameter
Saddle Scott Road Pro
Handlebar Scott Road Drop Anatomic
Handlebar Extensions Not included
Handlebar Stem Scott Road Team OS
Headset 1 1/8" Integrated Steel Cup

Wheels
Bontrager, Race Wheels
Weight: 1,120 grams
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Hate to bump, but sorry :/, would have to make a decision on this bike by Saturday
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That would be a nice entry level roadie. I think $660 is a bit steep for a 4 yr old Tiagra equipped bike. If say if you couls get it for, say, $550-$600, go for it.
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Alright, thank you, I'll have to go check it out then.
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Those wheels are a nice upgrade (DT Swiss hubs and deeper aero rims). The brake tracks look darn clean in the pic. If they have low mileage and are in good shape, that's a major bonus point.

On the other hand, I think those are Sora shifters rather than Tiagra?
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Those wheels are a nice upgrade (DT Swiss hubs and deeper aero rims). The brake tracks look darn clean in the pic. If they have low mileage and are in good shape, that's a major bonus point.

On the other hand, I think those are Sora shifters rather than Tiagra?
According to the ad, he says he can count the number of times it's left his garage on one hand.

As far as the shifters, it says Tiagra in the ad, but I can check personally when I go to look at the bike. If it is indeed Sora, is that a good thing or bad thing and how much of a difference does it make?
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Sora is below Tiagra in quality...and has thumb shifters rather than a small black 'return' lever behind the main brake lever (which many folks dislike). You can search the threads and read quite a bit about that difference. Personally, I didn't think the Sora's were that bad (on my first bike). But any upgrade path would be a bit trickier if those are 8-speed (Tiagra would be 9-speed and tricky enough as is). I'd certainly double-check and possibly use that to haggle the price a bit - but it wouldn't necessarily keep me from buying the bike if it fit.
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Back again, lol sorry.

Going to look at the Scott bike this weekend, but in the meantime, I saw this for sale for a couple hundred less, $400, and wanted to get some opinions on it.

Apparently it's a 2009 Marin Argenta, but the components are a bit different than what is listed here
http://www.bikepedia.com/quickbike/B...e#.UO3oL-kyrmg
Bought at Dunedin Cyclery. $1,100 new. Has Carbon Fiber Forks, XERO Lite Wheels, good rubber, Shimano Tiagra front and rear Shifters, Shimano 105 Brakes, water bottle holder and Cateye Velo 5 to monitor speed and distance. Color is navy and silver trim. Perfect for street riding or Pinellas Trail. Does not need any work or parts, it's ready to ride. Check out Marin Bikes on line to understand the quality. Bought a triathlon bike and don't need anymore.
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It's an '04 with upgraded shifters:
http://www.bikepedia.com/quickbike/B...enta&Type=bike

Might use the year to offer $350...but it's nearly as good as the Scott (IMO) for a lot less and I pretty solid choice for a starter. Plenty of streerer tube to dial in the fit. Frame and wheels are a little nicer on the Scott...but not those Sora shifters.
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Just purchased the Marin. Wanted to thank everyone for their help/advice throughout the thread.

Took about 30 seconds of riding it throughout the parking lot to be sold on the bike. Noticeably lighter than the my Cannondale, same size, shifts seamlessly, rides really smooth. Hoping to take it out on an actual ride sometime today.
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Congrats! Sounds like a nice pick-up.

{If I were you, I'd probably unload the Cannondale later this spring assuming all goes well with the Marin. It is a name brand and will still fetch a couple hundred bucks (or would around here with STI shifting). I doubt you'll ride it.**
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