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Campagnolo: Why do you like them

Old 12-31-12, 04:03 PM
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Campagnolo: Why do you like them

The pro/con/differences of Shimano and Sram components has been discussed to death on BF. Interestingly, I cannot find much in depth info on Campagnolo components. Most of comments I came across are like "Gotta this campy deraileur on ebay", "sweet Campy set up", "Campy is the best", "Italian", etc, etc. While these statements capture user sentiment well, it is not very informative. The only thing I know is that they are not very compatible with shimano/sram stuff.

So Campy fans, why do you like them?

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I've been riding Campy for 40 years so for me it is just a habit. It used to be the very best by a clear margin but probably isn't any more, not that it isn't good, but SRAM and Shimano are just also good. Realistically, it doesn't matter what you buy because it all works well. When you spend more it's just for weight reduction.

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For me, it's ergonomics. The hoods have always fit my hands better than Shimano or SRAM. I just find the Campy hoods to be much more comfortable.
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Features I like:
- well made and rebuildable
- comfortable
- ability to shift multiple gears with a single button push or lever pull

I had them on my first decent bike and prefer to have consistent groupsets across subsequent bikes so I just continue using them until there is a good reason to switch.
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Them is best for I.
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Originally Posted by jmccain View Post
Them is best for I.
.....because???
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.....because???
Works well and good durability.
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I used to ride campy and if I could afford record or justify chorus over dura ace than I might switch back. The main thing that I really like with campy is the thumb shifter. I climb with my hands on the shifters and it is simply amazing shifting while standing up. sram and shimano can't compare in that regard, I just wish it was cheaper and my wheels were campy compatable.
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I'll qualify this first. I have not used or experienced Shimano since 2001 (friend's C40 with Dura Ace) and have not used any of the SRAM products other than playing with them in the LBS.

In the 70's and 80's I used Campy (Nuovo Record and Super Record), and had red, white and green Italian colors in my blood. This has certainly colored my perception, so like sced, I've been pretty faithful to Campy.
When Shimano introduced SIS (indexing) in 1986 or so, I ran 600 (the old Ultegra) and liked it, despite my love for Campy. Indexing was revolutionary, and I went with it.

In 1999 I built a bike with Campy Record 8 speed Ergo, and it was fantastic. IMO it was superior in many ways to the Shimano of the era. Not shifting, per se (they were comparable), but in other aspects - finish, ability to rebuild components (Shimano was disposable), and aesthetics. I could't get past Shimano's fugly brifters with the friggin cables coming out of the hoods. Yuck. The other thing is a foundational difference in philosophy. Shimano goes for the super light action in its shifting, which I don't prefer. Campagnolo (IMO) has a more positive feel to it - the Shimano stuff just feels too airy for my taste, and (again) I do not like my brake levers moving sideways.

in 2000 I bought the first generation of Record 10 speed and it was sublime. I test rode a buddy's Colnago C40 with Dura Ace, and I did not like it. First off, there was no micro-trim for the FD - 3 indexed stops and that was it. Yuck. Also, I hated that the brake levers moved sideways. I far preferred the Ergo format, with the 3-lever format. Those with small hands may not like the Campy Ergos due to reach issues when in the drops, but this was not an issue for me. I LOVE the thumb shifters.

Shimano has dramatically improved their brifters in the last couple of years IMO, and I'm sure is awesome stuff. They sure went through some ridiculously ugly phases to get where they are. If I bought a bike that came with the latest (non-electronic) Ultegra or Dura Ace, I'd ride it and do my best to tolerate the moving brake levers. However, given the choice to do a fresh build, I'd still go with Campy.
I've played around with the double tap, and think it is okay, but not what I am used to. Still the SRAM would be my second choice, with Shimano in 3rd.

There's my rambling rationale.

I like being able to rebuild the Ergo shifters, avoiding an expensive and wasteful replacement (as with Shimano).

I'm not a fan of electronic shifting, so I'm relating solely to the mechanical grouppos.
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Campy brifters have 9 (?) parts. Shimano's have over 100. Each.
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I have a mix of Record and Chorus on my 2006 triple. I haven't needed to adjust it since I installed it in 2007 and everything works perfectly. I can shift five gears with the push of a button. I can also rebuilt it cheap if necessary. As others have said, the ergonomics are not bad either.
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Campy levers work with Sram derailleurs. That's probably the only reason I like Campy, I really love the look and feel of the levers. New Campy stuff is noticeably more expensive then the SRAM/Shimano equivalent
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Still running 30 year old Super Record on one bike that I bought brand new, had very few issues, just basic maintenance. Love the positive shifting and elegant styling that was unmatched for its' time. Kinda hard to explain to some not from my era, but the shear beauty and prestige of Campy made me want to ride like Sean Kelly, Lemond, etc..

Made a huge jump to a 10 speed Record gruppo in 2003. I love the shifting of the FD (micro-trimming), great brakes and durability. Stolen by some Ahole a year ago...Now running SR 11 speed gruppo with much appreciation. Same great shifting, braking, durability, etc..The one thing I miss from the 10 speed gruppo is the lever design-just fit my hands and riding style better. Can't stress enough how consistent all the components work, and to my liking!

I've ridden Shimano equipped bikes and never developed an ease for shifting with the brake levers? I seemed to touch the brakes a little while shifting. I guess with practice this would eventually not be problem? Also, I prefer the more positive shifting of Campy overall, Shimano felt too light and vague IMO. Lastly, it's just painful for me to see a beautiful Italian frame running Shimano, or worse, SRAM-blah! For me, the beauty my Campy equipped bike possesses inspires me all the more!
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Originally Posted by thechemist View Post
I used to ride campy and if I could afford record or justify chorus over dura ace than I might switch back. The main thing that I really like with campy is the thumb shifter. I climb with my hands on the shifters and it is simply amazing shifting while standing up. sram and shimano can't compare in that regard, I just wish it was cheaper and my wheels were campy compatable.
If you think Campy is more expensive, either you're shopping at the wrong place or making bad comparisons or both.
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show me the light? campy has always been more expensive than sram/ dura ace??
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show me the light? campy has always been more expensive than sram/ dura ace??
How about a Campy Chorus groupo for $1107, Record for $1590, Dura Ace 7900 for $1600 and SRAM Red for $1610?

http://www.shinybikes.com/campagnolo...-groupset.html

http://www.shinybikes.com/campagnolo...-groupset.html

http://www.shinybikes.com/shimano-du...pset-2011.html

http://www.shinybikes.com/Sram-Red-Groupset-2012.html
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I've been using Sram for the last 4 years and just recently this summer, I converted and built up all my bikes with Campagnolo. My only regret was not doing so much earlier in my other previous builds.
The ergonomics of the hoods feel great on my hands, the shifting is smooth and consistent, and have become a fan of the thumb levers. I used to think it was similar to Shimano's Sora shifters but I was easily proven wrong. I can shift the thumb levers from the hoods or drops without any issues and love being able to shift multiple gears on a single push on either levers.

Personally, I feel the aesthetics of Campagnolo's components are the best ones on the market to date.
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The hoods feel nice and their horns act as an extra hand position for me.

5 up and 3 down shifting which is great for jumping back on the power after you've started downshifting for that red light and it changes to green.

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For me, it's the fit/feel of the hoods/levers. Everything just falls into place.

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Originally Posted by thechemist View Post
show me the light? campy has always been more expensive than sram/ dura ace??
If you want to compare DA 7900 to a Campy group, for function and weight, the closest match is Centaur, not Super Record. I haven't looked closely enough at DA 9000, but I suspect it's a closer match to Athena or, perhaps, Chorus. If you bypass Campy USA and shop from the UK, the pricing gets much better too.
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the only campy i own.
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why not compare top of the range with top of the range?
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The only "negative" to a Campy Super Record Ti crank is the "standard" and the "compact" are not a chain ring swap, you need to completely change out your crank.

~$500-$1100 part... depending if you pay the "list price". (or whatever the list price of a campy SR Ti crank is....)


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For me.... looking at Campy Super Record Ti 11 stuff versus Dura-Ace or SRAM Red.... is "prettiness". the Campy stuff is really really pretty. (in a manly sort of way)

SRAM has a "solid" one-piece build in their RED line.

Dura-Ace...looks...."sand forged" and not in a good way. The swoopy lines of the crank may be efficient, butt it isn't pretty.

Campy's Titanium/carbon crank with hollow shaft are incredibly beautiful.

In comparison... Dura-Ace is like a 747... super reliable and awesome... but Campy Super Record is the 787... everything done beautiful from mixing Carbon and Titanium... without all those other metals.
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why not compare top of the range with top of the range?
Because I don't think Dura Ave is equal to Super Record. SRAM is slightly lighter in weight but doesn't have the fit and finish of SR.

Dura Ace is closer to Record or Chorus. Also, SRAM, Dura Ace and Record are used in racing, I don't think SR is groupo that is commonly raced.

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so you think campagnolo is not expensive because a lower goupset is cheaper than the top of the range of shimano and sram. hmmmmm. sounds very subjective.
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