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Old 01-03-13, 11:00 AM
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Help with new groupset selection

I'm currently riding a BMC with Rival and have been very happy with the performance. I ride regularly but am not competitive.

I currently have a Chinese carbon frame that I hope to have built up for when the snow goes away and I'm having trouble deciding on a new groupset to order for the frame.

I plan on going fairly cheap and I'd like to try something different than SRAM for a little variety so I've narrowed it down to Shimano 105 or Campagnolo Centaur. Whichever set I go with I'll be ordering from Europe to save a couple hundred bucks.

I've read that some people don't like the new Centaur groupset because it has powershift rather than ultrashift but that's not an issue for me. Also, is there a difference between the regular black group and the black/red group other than the colour?

Considering they are both 10 speed and around the same price is there a reason to go one way over the other? My main concern is which one has better build quality and reliability.
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I believe Centaur is lighter than 105, but they are both good. I don't think there is any difference to the red/black other than the bit of bling.

Between Shimano and Campy, it comes down to ergonomics. See if you can find a couple of bikes to fondle and see which hoods you prefer.
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Do you value having cassettes and rear wheels/wheelsets that can traded from bike to bike?
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If you going with a Chinese carbon frame, why not keep it ALL on the cheap with MicroSHIFT?
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Originally Posted by Commodus View Post
I believe Centaur is lighter than 105, but they are both good. I don't think there is any difference to the red/black other than the bit of bling.

Between Shimano and Campy, it comes down to ergonomics. See if you can find a couple of bikes to fondle and see which hoods you prefer.
I've actually felt both hoods and they both seemed ok with me. I could confortably use the thumb shifter on the Campy which I was concerned about because I have an injury to my left hand from being creamed by a car. However, I haven't been able to take either set out for a ride too see how they feel after a couple of hours.

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Do you value having cassettes and rear wheels/wheelsets that can traded from bike to bike?
Not really. I have a Soul S4.0 set that always stays on my BMC and a set of unused Aksiums in a box that have a Shimano/SRAM freehub (been planning on selling them for a couple years) but I'll probably be ordering a new wheelset for the new bike anyways (another choice to make :lol). Most likely a set of Soul S2.0.

Here's the frame I'll be building up...

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Originally Posted by HMF View Post
If you going with a Chinese carbon frame, why not keep it ALL on the cheap with MicroSHIFT?
I was considering that but I don't like that the cables aren't routed under the bartape. Unless they've update the Arsis group for 2013?
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I'm a Rival guy myself, so I'd go with Red, but for you I'd say Campy. Why? Because then you'll be cooler.
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I suggest going with Shimano simply for convenience and compatibility with your BMC. While you say you are good with wheels, it is always nice to have a back up set if something should happen, even if that means pulling a wheel off another bike.
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Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
it is always nice to have a back up set if something should happen, even if that means pulling a wheel off another bike.
I tend to agree (which is why I mentioned it). I have 3 wheelsets (plus an extra rear wheel) for 2 road bikes. Two wheelsets for my MTB as well (slick vs. knobby tires). Sounds like the OP has at least considered that potential benefit, but doesn't put a lot of stock in it.
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Campy 10 speed shifters, crank, and FD, Rival RD, Shimano 105 cassette and shimano compatible freehub, KMC chain. Cheapest setup of all, and then no one feels left out.
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Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
Campy 10 speed shifters, crank, and FD, Rival RD, Shimano 105 cassette and shimano compatible freehub, KMC chain. Cheapest setup of all, and then no one feels left out.
Franken bike!

Is it possible to upgrade from 105 (to Ultrega or DA) when the components wear out?
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Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
it is always nice to have a back up set if something should happen, even if that means pulling a wheel off another bike.
I also totally agree with this. I switch wheels often. Not only for repair reasons but mostly just for fun.
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Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
I suggest going with Shimano simply for convenience and compatibility with your BMC. While you say you are good with wheels, it is always nice to have a back up set if something should happen, even if that means pulling a wheel off another bike.
I agree, but remember that SRAM and Shimano cassette spacing is identical.
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Originally Posted by Crappymonkey View Post
Franken bike!

Is it possible to upgrade from 105 (to Ultrega or DA) when the components wear out?
Sure! Per the interweb, you could do Centaur shifters, Red RD, and DA cassette. Or do 11 speed Record (or SR) shifters and a DA 10 speed RD, with the cable routed hub-ub.
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For all reasons other than practical ones Campagnolo is must in this day and age. Everything else is too pedestrian to contemplate.
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I think I"ll be ordering the 105 soon. Thanks for the help!
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Maybe check the weight difference before ordering. Might be significant.
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Originally Posted by Commodus View Post
Maybe check the weight difference before ordering. Might be significant.

Good idea...

105 = 2624g
Centaur = 2331g (alloy)
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Originally Posted by sced View Post
For all reasons other than practical ones Campagnolo is must in this day and age. Everything else is too pedestrian to contemplate.
Funny you should say that:

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Originally Posted by James1:17 View Post
Funny you should say that:

That is funny! I have an Italian friend that's not a biker who speaks of Campagnolo with reverence, such is the name in Italy.
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Originally Posted by Crappymonkey View Post
Good idea...

105 = 2624g
Centaur = 2331g (alloy)
300g is kind of a lot. I think if you don't have strong feelings about the ergonomics, I'd go Centaur.
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Originally Posted by Commodus View Post
300g is kind of a lot. I think if you don't have strong feelings about the ergonomics, I'd go Centaur.
If you're not racing, it's not a lot. Get what you like. I'd go with Shimano, but that's only so I could use wheels between the two bikes. That's just me though.
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Originally Posted by Andy Somnifac View Post
If you're not racing, it's not a lot. Get what you like. I'd go with Shimano, but that's only so I could use wheels between the two bikes. That's just me though.
If he had a strong preference, or cared about being able to switch wheels, this thread wouldn't exist.
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Note the second sentence of my post.

"Get what you like."

The rest is prefaced with "I'd" and closed with "That's just me though." I think it's pretty clear it was my opinion, and he should get the one he likes regardless of the opinion of anyone else.
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Having had a 105 (5700) bike, a Campy Veloce shifters and shimano rear end (JTek #3), and a Campy Veloce Shifter/ all other Centaur bike, I would take Campy 10 speed every time for the following reasons:

1) It was cheaper.
2) The JTek was annoying and more finnicky.
3) The hood ergonomics of Campy fit my hands far better (and I have large hands)
4) The front shifting on Campy was smoother. The rear shifting on 105 was smoother, with the whole Shimano "buttery" feeling. I don't like buttery, so the Campy bang was more to my liking.

The decision was not based on weight, or which was more or less pedestrian.

EDIT: My next build will be a 105 downtube shifter build, so my stuff is project specific.
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