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Not wishing to be a "Fred"

Old 01-03-13, 02:10 PM
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Not wishing to be a "Fred"

I guess my question is this: I routinely ride well before dawn--usually about 4:30 AM and get back home about 6:30--still usually very dark outside---If I don't use a blinky and helmet light plus a red flasher on my tail--how do I keep from getting killed by wayward motorist not to mention bikers and runners dressed all in black like ninja warriors that are unseen until your right on top of them?
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Old 01-03-13, 02:12 PM
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Riding in the dark all bets are off, safety is key. With that said I can't stand helmet lights except while mountain biking. The position of the light makes it easier to blind drivers, pedestrians, as well as other cyclists. For night group rides that I do helmet lights are not even permitted.
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Old 01-03-13, 02:16 PM
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It is practically a given that you are a Fred if you believe that riding in the dark without lights would somehow make you less Fredly.

Riding in the dark without lights is totally insane. Aside from drastically increasing your risk of getting hit by a motor vehicle, you will certainly hit something big that you couldn't see if you ride much at all.
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Old 01-03-13, 02:37 PM
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well thats' why I light up
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There are plenty of more important things to wish for other than being a "Fred".
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Anything goes at nighttime. Matter of fact, be as fredly as possible. The brighter, flashier, and more noticeable you are, the better.
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IMO, lights are a good thing whether you are fredly or unfredly.
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We do not wish you to be a fred either, but we probably wouldn't mind you having a 13th post either. Put a light on.

Also, take a look at some reflective tape. Just a few small pieces on the back of your helmet can be very noticeable in a car's headlights.
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"Fred" is a made-up term that only appears on BF.net, so you're safe on that score. Riding at night? Use lights. Problem solved.

Actually, there never was a problem. What a useless thread. What's become of the internet lately? Next, you'll complain about the arrogant guys with Campy components on their bikes.
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+1 to what they said. I even wear a reflective vest if it's dark. While driving my car, I have come close to hitting joggers running in dark clothes. Visibility is key. My commuter bike and mountain bike get ridden at night once in a while. I put a few reflective tape strips on the crankarms and rear seat stays and fork blades. I like to have something there in case my lights die mid-ride.
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If you are riding at 4:30 AM you are a hardman, period. Do what you need to do.
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absolutely nothing fredly about lights when riding in the dark...

also, my wife and i made an agreement that i had to start using my velcroed-red-flashing-tail-light when riding solo (even during the day, even on my race bike w/ my team kit doing intervals) after a minor car/bike collision i had right after our second daughter was born...one thing i realized is that motorists are incredibly SO MUCH more courteous when that light is on...more than signalling that i am there, it kind of tells them that i am aware i am on a slower vehicle and i am doing my best to share the road...getting buzzed or honked is now kind of rare (it used to occur quite frequently)...just food for thought...
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Most of the racers around here use flashies and lights as required. That's not fredly at all.
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Better Fred than dead. In addendum to eduardo's sentiment, I don't care how Fredly it looks, if it keeps me safer, I'll do it.
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Originally Posted by eduardo76 View Post
...one thing i realized is that motorists are incredibly SO MUCH more courteous when that light is on...
Word.

And good lights get you better treatment than crap lights. Motorists treat you with more respect if you look like you know what you're doing and are equipped properly.
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Originally Posted by RTDub View Post
Better Fred than dead..
Correct. Use the lights.
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Agree with all the advice that you want to be as visible as possible, and don't worry what you look like.

That said, there are ways to be safe at night, and not totally junk up your bike. For example, there are some nice, very bright LED rear lights that strap on and off in an instant.

So use all the light and reflective material you need, but with a little thought, that stuff can be arranged not to junk up the bike.
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Originally Posted by billsmetro View Post
I guess my question is this: I routinely ride well before dawn--usually about 4:30 AM and get back home about 6:30--still usually very dark outside---If I don't use a blinky and helmet light plus a red flasher on my tail--how do I keep from getting killed by wayward motorist not to mention bikers and runners dressed all in black like ninja warriors that are unseen until your right on top of them?
A blinky and a helmet light plus a red flasher will not keep you from getting killed by wayward motorists.
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Originally Posted by BykOfALesserGod View Post
A blinky and a helmet light plus a red flasher will not keep you from getting killed by wayward motorists.
True, but shading the odds in your favor makes sense.
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Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
"Fred" is a made-up term that only appears on BF.net, so you're safe on that score.
Off-topic: I'm pretty sure it's not just a BF term. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_(bicycling)

On-topic: Fred your sh*t out if you're going to ride at night.
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http://revolights.com/

Those are about as good looking as bike lights get.
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What a bunch of Freds! Isn't someone going to tell this chap he has to HTFU, buy a power meter, and shave his legs???
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HTFU, buy a power meter, and shave your legs!!!
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