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The imaginary benefits of modern race equipment

Old 03-10-13, 07:16 PM
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I wonder if you could win TDF on one of these against all of that new fangled modern technology?
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
Well if you're going to be a dick about it you can just bite me you delusional olde fart.






...smilie face...







You may have been discussing OPINIONS, but I was discussing FACTS. Try posting one and maybe we can pick it up again from there.
Well, Bob, I'm wondering if I should I be trying this in Mandarin or something? I've been posting facts. You've been replying with things like "Faster bikes don't make faster races" and "The fastest Paris-Roubaix wasn't in 1964, it was in 1964!"

I'm sorry you're not having fun anymore, but I still am!
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Oh, and I note you're now evading the question about lawns in Taiwan. Why can't you sack up and answer the tough ones, eh Bob?
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I wonder if you could win TDF on one of these?

That makes me curious as to how fast those things could actually go. I'd bet though you wouldn't want to try and stop in a hurry in a penny farthing. It looks like a long way to fall on your face.
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Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post



I wonder if you could win TDF on one of these?
You'll lose any time you gained uphill on the decent.

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What's sad here are posters that drive true experts like Bob D., Psimet, and even Andy Cogan from a long time ago away. These people know more about the industry and cycling that 100 of the BF "experts" combined.
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^^ They are faster than I expected. But that crash looks like it must of hurt.
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Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
Well, Bob, I'm wondering if I should I be trying this in Mandarin or something? I've been posting facts. You've been replying with things like "Faster bikes don't make faster races" and "The fastest Paris-Roubaix wasn't in 1964, it was in 1964!"

I'm sorry you're not having fun anymore, but I still am!
Put your specs on and scroll back to the post where I say WHY the 1964 PR was the fasted on record...


...hint, dry conditions with a TAILWIND and only 22km of cobbles...but those would only be a FACTS and only mean something to anyone who had a clue about what PR is and why those FACTS were relevant and not at all germane to your rant.




You're trolling is a weak as the spindly legs turning the cranks on the relic you ride.
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Originally Posted by krobinson103 View Post
Don't know about that. I like the stable feeling I get from my all Aluminium mtb. If I switch to a roadie it feels light and almost unstable. Most look at my choice of long distance ride and call it outdated and heavy, but given that I don't race and I can get it rolling at a 25kmh average or better all day its good enough. Horses for courses. If you want to win a race by 1/10 of a second absolutely a CF bike will help. If you want to just ride, then the bike only need to be comfortable. Having ridden a lot of different bikes as long as it isn't a bso and the aerodynamics are good the speed difference isn't all that great.
No disrespect buddy, but you are an outlier. Most people who do the miles you do, at the speed you go prefer a roadbike. Which doesn't make your choices wrong, but they do make em a bit different.
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Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
You'll lose any time you gained uphill on the decent.

Speed wobble - should have squeezed the tt with his knees.
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Originally Posted by krobinson103 View Post
^^ They are faster than I expected. But that crash looks like it must of hurt.
Anybody willing to go that fast on that bike must have balls of steel. I assume he's incapable of being hurt.

Hopefully we can get a "true expert" to weigh in on it, assuming I haven't driven them all away.
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Originally Posted by furballi View Post
Science is all about facts, not feel and gut instinct. If you buy a bike for the "bling" factor, then the sky is the limit. If you want to go faster, then train the ENGINE. Shaving a few lbs off a bike will never translate to more than a 3% improvement in speed (below 15 mph). Above 15 mph, most of the output from the ENGINE is used to fight air resistance, not the extra 7 lbs on the bike!
If I wanted to do math, I would go to school.
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Speed wobble - should have squeezed the tt with his knees.
Yeah, I saw those shudders and thought the same thing!

In the end he rolls the rear tire and that's why he goes down.
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Anybody willing to go that fast on that bike must have balls of steel. I assume he's incapable of being hurt.

Hopefully we can get a "true expert" to weigh in on it, assuming I haven't driven them all away.

They had a spoon brake didn't they? Perched on top of the bike with on control and a brake thats almost worthless is not something I'd be doing. That man is brave indeed.
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it looks like it was one of those modern pneumatic tires that failed him.
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They had a spoon brake didn't they? Perched on top of the bike with on control and a brake thats almost worthless is not something I'd be doing. That man is brave indeed.
Mostly not, I think. (Yes, those bikes predate even me, so I'm not too knowledgeable about them). I gather that some of the touring bikes had spoon brakes but that the performance models (i.e. the great majority of high wheelers) had nothing.

(The tires, BTW, are solid rubber with a wire running through them. They are held onto the rim by somehow tightening the wire. He must have been trying to save weight with a carbon wire. Those always fail.)

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I already know what a great a guy you are, Bob, because you mentioned it (several times) on your blog.

The point I was trying to make - which still didn't seem to make any sense to you - is that you seem really impressed by yourself. I base that opinion from your blog, and from you telling me what I should do with the thread, and now from your little resume here. And guys like me, who realize how thoroughly unimportant they and their opinions are, are simply never going to see eye-to-eye with guys like that, on much of anything.

I get that you think modern bicycles are super-spiffy. I get that you make money off of things like ceramic bearings and carbon wheels, and so can't very well admit that they're mostly about looks and hyperbole. And I get that actual race results and times are kind of inconvenient for your paradigm. I just don't get why you got all emotional about being right and then complained that it wasn't any fun any more.

So do they even have lawns in Taiwan, anyway?
Take a wild guess who is sounding more smug and self-impressed: you, or Bdop?
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And guys like me, who realize how thoroughly unimportant they and their opinions are,
.... wouldn't start this thread?
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.... Wouldn't start this thread?
ftw.
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.... wouldn't start this thread?
wow /thread
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The thread was an opiate-induced joke. Some folks took it seriously, which rarely does a joke any good. And now that the opiates have worn off, I'm remembering why I avoid this forum.
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The thread was an opiate-induced joke. Some folks took it seriously, which rarely does a joke any good. And now that the opiates have worn off, I'm remembering why I avoid this forum.
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The thread was an opiate-induced joke.
You are one boring drug user!
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You are one boring drug user!
2RSTG.Inc is always looking for more people who are stoned.
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2RSTG.Inc is always looking for more people who are stoned.
That was not an easy google.
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