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Old 04-07-13, 04:39 AM
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My lbs laughed at me.

I went to my local lbs to get a rounded out hex screw extracted and the mechanic told me it could be done, but I would have to schedule an appointment so I wouldn't have to walk several miles home (my two bikes are my only form of transportation unless I borrow my neighbor's skateboard which has been gathering dust in the garage for several decades). Anyhow, out of curiosity, I asked him if I could use the shop scale and he holds up a park tool scale. I tell him, "great, now I can see how overweight my bike is" he replies, "overweight, are you a weight weenie?...". He hooks it up and it reads: 20.01 lbs and I'm grimacing and trying to hold back the stream of tears that are making the dam that are my tear ducts from collapsing. The mechanic is trying to console me at that point, but another mechanic starts cracking jokes about my overweight bike, "if you go with a wireless computer, it'll save the weight of the copper wires" "you could go with lighter pedals" "wipe off the dried mud stuck on the frame and you'll be just under 20.00lbs" "if you remove the second rubber mount on the stem, it'll save a couple grams". Clearly he was not a weight weenie because in my mind, I started calculating the 220-300 or so grams I could save by using a external bb crankset, the weight of my bottlecages, and how much lighter it would be without the added burden of tires. With the new crankset coming in, I could just wing it and end up with 18.47lbs, not too shabby especially since the whole piece-ol' crap comes in at under $1000
Actually... he had valid points, the stem bag mount was pretty hefty, and there is a ton of mud stuck on the bottom of the downtube, and SPD pedals aren't very light..

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Old 04-07-13, 05:14 AM
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Is there a point here someplace?
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There isn't one. He removed it to save weight.
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Old 04-07-13, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
There isn't one. He removed it to save weight.
Well played...LOL...
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I read the title and thought this was a thread on failed attempts at dieting.
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Old 04-07-13, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
There isn't one. He removed it to save weight.
lol.. I cry weightism. By the way, you do know that paint/text images add weight to the overall frame right? My 23" monitor weight about 10.4lbs when I turn it on, and 10.401lbs when I turn it off. Either the scale needs to be recalibrated, or black text actually makes it lighter.

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Old 04-07-13, 05:38 AM
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Go buy your own set of tools

Originally Posted by buffalowings View Post
I went to my local lbs to get a rounded out hex screw extracted and the mechanic told me it could be done, but ?......
Do yourself a favor by buying a Park tools kit ( including a torque wrench) and learn how to do you own repairs. Stay away from the LBS. It's like dealing with the русская мафия.
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Old 04-07-13, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by buffalowings View Post
I went to my local lbs to get a rounded out hex screw extracted and the mechanic told me it could be done, but I would have to schedule an appointment so I wouldn't have to walk several miles home (my two bikes are my only form of transportation unless I borrow my neighbor's skateboard which has been gathering dust in the garage for several decades). Anyhow, out of curiosity, I asked him if I could use the shop scale and he holds up a park tool scale. I tell him, "great, now I can see how overweight my bike is" he replies, "overweight, are you a weight weenie?...". He hooks it up and it reads: 20.01 lbs and I'm grimacing and trying to hold back the stream of tears that are making the dam that are my tear ducts from collapsing. The mechanic is trying to console me at that point, but another mechanic starts cracking jokes about my overweight bike, "if you go with a wireless computer, it'll save the weight of the copper wires" "you could go with lighter pedals" "wipe off the dried mud stuck on the frame and you'll be just under 20.00lbs" "if you remove the second rubber mount on the stem, it'll save a couple grams". Clearly he was not a weight weenie because in my mind, I started calculating the 220-300 or so grams I could save by using a external bb crankset, the weight of my bottlecages, and how much lighter it would be without the added burden of tires. With the new crankset coming in, I could just wing it and end up with 18.47lbs, not too shabby especially since the whole piece-ol' crap comes in at under $1000
Actually... he had valid points, the stem bag mount was pretty hefty, and there is a ton of mud stuck on the bottom of the downtube, and SPD pedals aren't very light..
How much do you weigh?
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Originally Posted by laserfj View Post
How much do you weigh?
Well, I got the short end of the genetic pool, so I'm only 5ft 6 and weigh in at around 136lbs.
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Old 04-07-13, 06:01 AM
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I wouldn't sweat a couple pounds.
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Drilling holes in your water bottle can save you up to 1800 grams Oh, and be sure to leave your valve caps off and pull all the cable ends.

Edit: I forgot socks. Don't wear socks. Socks are heavy.

All in good fun

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Old 04-07-13, 06:45 AM
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OP, there is much contention about how a bike should be weighed, but if you are comparing to standard catalog or showroom weights, you need to strip the bike down. Yours is not so heavy without pedals, bags, computers, cages, mounts, and loads of other crap you are including (lights?, reflectors?, pie plate?). Look at how a bike is pictured in a catalog or on the manufacturer's online site. That is also how it was weighed to obtain a value for the catalog or a review. So everybody's 14 lb bike really weighs 16 lb (more or less). Sure folks on the 41 quote weights for bikes just as they ride them, but without you knowing what all stuff they are carrying, you can't compare to that.

Here is what to do: weigh the bike as is. Then take off everything down to showroom state. Weigh again. Now you know your bike's real weight and your riding equipment differential. When you read about a bike in a review or advertisement, you can compare your bike to it with the basic weight, and you can figure what it would weigh on the road if you were riding it.

So you probably have an 18+ lb (showroom state) bike for less than a $1000. That is actually quite respectable.

What to do next: most effective lightening is the wheels, especially the rims, tires and tubes. You will really feel the removal of that weight. Lighter hubs don't affect the feel of speed nearly as much, but should be considered also. Easiest weight reduction after that is stem, bar, post. I don't include saddle because comfort is so important, it is not wise to just change it for weight.

Then you get to group set and finally frame and fork. Some people would put frame and fork first, and I don't disagree. Thing is, you can get your bike pretty easily down to 15-16 lb and still be riding a steel frame.

Anyway enjoy your quest.

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20lbs is not a great bike, but it's not a bad one.
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How much do you think they would be laughing at you if they knew you were on here talking about it?
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Another thread about Trek....
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Okay...who asked this question???



Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
OP, there is much contention about how a bike should be weighed, but if you are comparing to standard catalog or showroom weights, you need to strip the bike down. Yours is not so heavy without pedals, bags, computers, cages, mounts, and loads of other crap you are including (lights?, reflectors?, pie plate?). Look at how a bike is pictured in a catalog or on the manufacturer's online site. That is also how it was weighed to obtain a value for the catalog or a review. So everybody's 14 lb bike really weighs 16 lb (more or less). Sure folks on the 41 quote weights for bikes just as they ride them, but without you knowing what all stuff they are carrying, you can't compare to that.

Here is what to do: weigh the bike as is. Then take off everything down to showroom state. Weigh again. Now you know your bike's real weight and your riding equipment differential. When you read about a bike in a review or advertisement, you can compare your bike to it with the basic weight, and you can figure what it would weigh on the road if you were riding it.

So you probably have an 18+ lb (showroom state) bike for less than a $1000. That is actually quite respectable.

What to do next: most effective lightening is the wheels, especially the rims, tires and tubes. You will really feel the removal of that weight. Lighter hubs don't affect the feel of speed nearly as much, but should be considered also. Easiest weight reduction after that is stem, bar, post. I don't include saddle because comfort is so important, it is not wise to just change it for weight.

Then you get to group set and finally frame and fork. Some people would put frame and fork first, and I don't disagree. Thing is, you can get your bike pretty easily down to 15-16 lb and still be riding a steel frame.

Anyway enjoy your quest.

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go to HD and buy yourself a set of easy out bits. Theres no reason yous hould be going to the LBS to remove stripped bolts.
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go to HD and buy yourself a set of easy out bits. Theres no reason yous hould be going to the LBS to remove stripped bolts.
I actually have no power drill at the moment -_- (living on the move) Also, the screw is very small, so i would rather not botch it up anything further.
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Well, I got the short end of the genetic pool, so I'm only 5ft 6 and weigh in at around 136lbs.
You're too fat for this sport-datlas weighs 135 as well but is 6'2".
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You're too fat for this sport-datlas weighs 135 as well but is 6'2".
Or maybe 6'4"and 135. Whatever, he , unlike you, is just right for this sport. Go on a diet. Whooosssh will tell you how. Or pcad, he is pretty much an authority on everything- in his own mind that is.
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Originally Posted by buffalowings View Post
I went to my local lbs to get a rounded out hex screw extracted ..
I bet your bike, like your post, is full of superfluous words.
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Well if someone told me they were concerned about overall weight of their bike and was a weight weenie but then found out their bike was 20lbs, I would laugh also. Hard to be a WW without spending money on the parts that make you a WW. Thats like saying you are an alcoholic but only drink every now and then when you happen to have extra funds available.

BUT, If I am reading it correctly, its not like you walked up to them with a soul intent of thinking it was going to be 12.5lbs. You just wanted to see where you stood. Did you keep your water bottles or saddle bag on the bike when weighing it? Are you friends with these local guys? For example, I hang out at my LBS 2 or 3 days a week and am good friends with 1/2 of the employee's. They know that I'm a recovering weight weenie so they give me a hard time. They will pick up my bike and act like it is extremely heavy or pick over things like they did your's by saying...."you know...you could save 4g by doing this... or this....or this..". But I know they are joking around because we are friends. IF you aren't friends with these guys than I would be a little agitated by their response.

Its totally fine in my eyes to be aware with how much parts weigh. It will all add up and help drop the overall weight. I recommend that if you do start to get into dropping the bikes weight, that you take that as its own hobby though and not expecting it to make you much faster. 4 out of 5 people will just tell you to go on a diet, but that doesn't do anything for the overall weight of your bike. I get it, though a majority dont/wont.
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I just wondered what my bike weighed, and if the frame was excessively heavy in comparison to similar bikes in the price range (it's a diamondback podium 2 so the frame less well known) 20lbs was with the cyclocomputer (which doesn't weigh much at all), and two bottlecages, along with Shimano M540's. Overall, it would be around 18.5lbs without the pedals, good enough for me.
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
Is there a point here someplace?

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this thread had so much potential
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
Is there a point here someplace?
Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
There isn't one. He removed it to save weight.
The two best posts I've seen here in years.... Well done! Bravo!
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