banerjek

Which is why BF is such a happy place

WhyFi

um....you do realize that I didn't say that mechanical groups were bull**** and you do realize that I said that it's okay if something doesn't present a compelling value for your money, which would encompass perceived performance benefits (or lack thereof, as the case may be) vs what ever it's replacing? Ignorance must be bliss, because your comment doesn't contradict mine whatsoever.

Elduderino2412

true

I just replied like that b/c you called my reason for liking mechanical was the granddaddy of all bull**** reasons. Use whatever you like, and i won't think your reason for doing so is some BS. I get the appeal of electronic, just not for me personally.
I've ridden my friends Ui2 and it didn't have that same feel of cycling zen to me

WhyFi

Comprehension - I said that that was a BS objection to electronic; there is a difference. Also, since there are only a handful of electronic groups out there, the "100% human powered" aspect can't be a very high on the list of reasons that you ride what you ride, as 100% human powered covers 99.9% of the stuff out there.

So, honest answer - you wouldn't take an even swap, your group for DA Di2/Campy EPS? For an even swap, I would do it in a heart beat, but the value isn't there for me to pay an additional $1k for the privilege. Next build? Maybe, but not now.

Elduderino2412

If no monetary value was attached i would still stick with my current setup(i would rather red instead of force though), honestly. I also like tinkering w/my bikes, so i don't mind the adjustments and installing new cables.
I personally just feel more connected to my bike with current setup. Feel is most important thing to me.
BTW i don't race, so if i did maybe i would be singing a different tune.

WhyFi

Will you sing the same tune when SRAM releases their electronic group (w/r/t a no money swap)? As far as 'feel,' how would electronic affect this, assuming that the lever resistances are artfully tuned?

Elduderino2412

The reason i switched to SRAM in road and mtb is i can feel my derailleurs pulling through my levers. Shimano(mechanically) is super smooth in comparison, but i didn't like it as much. Obviously electronically it would be impossible to have the pulling sensation i get from SRAM.
If that makes any sense.

patentcad

Most of the people I know who have any time on Di2 would not give up electronic shifting. I ride mechanical vs. Di2 regularly. Di2 is awful nice. You really would have to experience it to know what you're talking about in this thread, and my guess is most of people here don't have any real miles with Di2.

That being said, I've always been quite intrigued by Red, but I'd have to ride the newer Red components to see if I could handle Double Tap, because Force really sucked.

Campag4life

The good news for all of us, is both electronic and mechanical shifting continues to improve. And it seems like both are here to stay for a while and will get nothing but better. Shimano is a notable example. Shimano has already gone through a design evolution between release of DA Di2 and Ultegra Di2. Many DA fans know that 7900 was a disappointment on a no. of levels. Same with Ultegra 6700 which is basically a less expensive clone. That has changed with new DA 9000...a complete redesign with even change to pull ratios... which is now as good if not better than any mech groupset out there and includes 11s.
Reports on the new Red are very good. I bet Sram will continue to improve double tap. Sram releasing electronic shifting will create more competition and simply improve the breed and lower pricing for all of us.
A good time to own a road bike.

Nachoman

All you Di2 haters will be happy to hear that my Di2 failed this morning.
The rear derailleur started acting really erratic and not responding. Even some ghost shifting.
The green light was displaying a full charge, but when I got home, it flashed a solid red for about 60 seconds and then back to normal green. The front derailleur worked fine.

I'm thinking a loose connection, but it was also raining this morning, for whatever that's worth. I didn't have time to check it out because I was late for work.

caloso

To be fair, I once broke a FD cable on a ride (Red shifter/Force FD) which left me in the 39 for 20 miles of a group ride. That was spintastic.

banerjek

For the FD, you could just jam a piece of a stick found by the side of the road to keep it in the big ring. Pop the stick out to use the 39. It would work fine so long as you don't need to shift rings very often.

Stratman351

Haha...I'm definitely going for Di2. The only question is whether to upgrade my Felt Z5, or buy a whole new bike with Di2 already installed and let the Felt become my backup.

patentcad

I'd agree, the new mechanical D.A. 9000 is fantastic, I've heard very good things about the newest version of Red as well. Ultegra is great stuff, and then there is Di2. Man, if the new 11 speed version of Di2 is an improvement over 10 speed that's hard to imagine, because the 10 speed Di2 I have experience with is pretty much perfection.

Andy Somnifac 

Only thing I'd take over my Red group is Di2. But there's no way I could find Di2 at the price I paid for my Red group (lightly used), so I'll stick with it. For general riding, SRAM, Shimano, Campy, (all mech) they're all fine. In a hard ride or a race environment, I'll take SRAM (again, only talking mechanical here) any day.

joshuatrio

I rode a brand new SRAM Red S-Works Tarmac this past weekend and didn't like it at all. The double tap feature sucked, and the chain even fell of the front ring at one point (going from the larger to smaller ring). It felt like some of the clunkiest shifting I'd ever experienced on a road bike. Maybe it wasn't dialed in properly (shifted fine in the rear), but I prefer Shimano or Campy anyday.

Initially excited about the demo ride, I was more than happy to give the bike back (I'd keep the frame

njkayaker

^^^

It wasn't wasn't adjusted properly. I have 8,000 miles on Rival and have never dropped a chain.

Alan Edwards

OK I'm going to try and squeeze in a question here about Dii2, Ultegra Dii2. 11 in the back or 10 what ever? How can you get a triple in front to work with Dii2. I heard the word "Hack" for a program add on, can or has this been done for a triple. Fat old men like our triple cranks in the mountains. I live in the "Tour of Cali" or "Amgen" or whatever they are calling it now and a triple is the only way you are going to get me to leave RED.

roadwarrior

Hilarious...."There is a place where everyone can be an expert, even if only for a second."

JimF22003

Di2 won't work with a triple in the front.

My DA Di2 setup died last week. It has been getting flaky for awhile. It kept dropping from the big ring to the small ring on its own, usually when shifting the REAR derailleur. It has dropped all the way off the inside a few more times, and it has locked up tight twice requiring me to remove the battery and reinstall to get it to start working again.

Finally the RD slowly gave up the ghost. It would only shift the bottom half of the cassette (smallest cog to middle cog.) As I rode home I lost one cog after another, until finally it wouldn't shift at all on the rear.

Bike is in the shop now. Probably something in the wiring.

Man when Di2 dies it kind of leaves you without a lot of options...

Andy Somnifac 

It wasn't. I live where it's pan flat, so I don't have to shift the front very often, but when I do, it's always done exactly what I asked it to do.

roadwarrior

So you had the HAL 9000 version.

roadwarrior

If I misadjust Super Record 11 you will say exactly the same thing.

Why do people blame the groupset when it is obvious that it is the setup?

I have been riding two SRAM bikes for four years. Never missed a beat. But i know what to look for and how to fix it.

Just sayin'

Nachoman

Let us know what the problem ends up being.
I just had a similar issue with Di2 and I since I had just changed out my wiring harness, I was pretty convinced that was the problem. But it ended up being a bad rear derailleur.

joshuatrio

Maybe so. However, it had just been gone over by a Specialized factory mechanic.

Either way, the double tap thing I just didn't like. But to each their own. That's why there are different vendors.