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Old 04-23-13, 06:48 PM
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Have any friends like this?

I have a friend that I got into the sport last year. He bought a giant and then 2 months later thought it was crap so we worked out a deal with him buying my ridley and I upgraded to my Supersix, a win-win situation. Since then he has ridden a total of 3 times. Everytime I talk about riding he gets all excited and says,"bro we gotta ride together soon!" So we planned it this past weekend that we would ride together today. I didn't have high expectations since I knew he hadn't ridden much, so I told myself that this ride was for him, not me.

I told him before leaving my place to just pace himself and take it easy since he hasn't ridden much. Dont take off, control your breathing, don't blow your nutt on the first hill, get in a good warm up. We pull out of my drive way and onto the road which is an immediate slight hill. I look up and what is he doing? Out of the saddle and sprinting up this hill!? I yell at him to stop but he cant hear me. I didn't change my cadence and of course caught him shortly. I looked at him and said, "What are you doing!?" Of course he cant respond because he is COMPLETELY out of breath. I'm trying to get him to control his breathing but he wont listen to me. He died on every hill and mole hill. I didn't want to take off on him to far so i would just coast down hills while slightly pedaling. I would look back and he was usually stopped at the top of every hill, unclipped and slugging water. 3 miles into this ride and I was screaming out of frustration and yelling out load..."WTF!!!!********** COME ON!!!" Loud enough to release some frustration but he was so far away from me, he couldn't hear me. I know that I said I shouldn't expect much from him, but he was riding around 7mph for goodness sake!! I would hold back and ride along side trying to give some pointers but trying to not come across like a jerk. I noticed his bike was not set up right so I pulled him to the side and lowered his seatpost a bunch, leveled his saddle and bars. we got going again and that seemed to help a lot but he was still really tired and out of condition. I told him that you cant replace riding with anything else. if you want to get in good cycling condition, you simply have to ride. We made a total of 8 miles by the time we got back to my place and he looked like he just crossed the finish line to his first century ride! When we got back he told me that before me making the adjustments to his bike, he had mad eup his mind that he was gonna sell his bike because he just wan't having fun. After the adjustments he was so much more comfortable and was really able to push himself better without being in pain. He is 5'8" and 150lbs so I wasn't expecting him to suck like a fat kid eating cake lol.

My time to ride is very valuable to me because with 2 kids and a full time job, I have to get in my time when i can. He is a good friend of mine and i want him to get better and enjoy it (Especially since i got him into it) but I dont want to waste my ride time doing 7-10mph! Next time he asks me to ride, I'm gonna feel like telling him no, but I dont want to be rude.


How many of you got a friend into cycling but now dread it when they ask you to ride with them? Obviously we all have different priorities in life and cycling isn't everyones. Some people are fine just riding whenever they get the urge, while others make compromises to their daily life just to fit a ride into their schedule. But I find it can be PAINFUL to ride with someone who doesn't make any effort to condition themselves to be better/stronger.
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Been there done that.

When I was racing with purpose I used to hook up for casual rides on my recovery days. I would often ride before and a little bit after (riding to meet people at their house helped).

I always looked at it as paying dues to the sport that gave so much to me.

It still sucked on occasion, though.
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Use him for recovery rides. He'll come around or give up.
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7-10 mph recovery ride??? thats not a recovery, thats a fast walk.
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Originally Posted by bianchi10
7-10 mph recovery ride??? thats not a recovery, thats a fast walk.
That is a pretty extreme example.
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Originally Posted by bianchi10
7-10 mph recovery ride??? thats not a recovery, thats a fast walk.
I could run along side him for 8 miles at that speed...

That's a tough situation. He has no motivation to go ride by himself?
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Here is a variant on the theme that is also very frustrating. I used to ride with a close friend who is about 1/2 a generation older than me. He was never a very strong rider but was always game for reasonable distance. I was always happy to match his lower speed for the sake of friendship. Problem was, no matter how much I slowed to let him catch up so we could ride together, he just kept slowing more to stay about 30 yards behind me. It was so aggravating. I have had more than one prson do that to me. Why ride with someone if you can't shoot the breeze when not working too hard? Finally my butt would start hurting from sitting up on the saddle so long without getting anywhere. But friends are friends.

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Originally Posted by THSdrummer
I could run along side him for 8 miles at that speed...

That's a tough situation. He has no motivation to go ride by himself?
He is a co worker and when I talk about riding he gets all excited about getting home and throwing a leg over the bike. Next day usually sounds like this:

Me: hey man, so did you ride when you got home yesterday?
Him: Nah, I was tired so I played video games
Me: oh ok.

5 days later:
Me: so did you ride when you got home yesterday?
Him: No, I was tired from staying up so late last night so I took a nap
Me: oh ok.

3 days later:
Him: Its so nice outside today! I saw a picture of your bike on FB yesterday on your ride and it got me excited to get out on mine.
Me: cool me, hope you get out. (Thinking to myself...yeah right, I'll believe it when I see it)
Later that night, TEXT MSG
Me: did you ride today!?
Him: No, I wanted to, but I really wanted to wash the car.
Mek bro.
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It's like that with my girlfriends dad. We aren't really on the same level, so it usually isn't the most exciting ride for me. BUT I figured out what to do: I just little ring the whole ride and spin like crazy. Keeps my heart rate up while still staying at his pace. Give it a try.
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The issue isn't his speed on the bike, he's just flakey.

Yes, I've had some of those in my social circles. No, I don't plan rides with them any more.
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I'll have to try that more with him, but Half the ride I was in a a 24 cog (i habe 11-28) as it was though lol
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Originally Posted by bianchi10
I'll have to try that more with him, but Half the ride I was in a a 24 cog (i habe 11-28) as it was though lol
That's right, you do a lot of climbing. Kinda harder to spin going up hill.
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Would you have the same attitude riding with your wife / girlfriend if she wasn't a strong rider? Methinks not. You know what you're in for, in any case. If you're not willing to compromise your effort on a given day, then don't ride with that person. My opinion only, and as we all know...usually wrong.

...but it is a chance to advise him on new wheels to buy...

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I wish I knew how fast I ride I still need to get a pedometer. Anyways, I never ask my friends to ride since I haven't asked them to ride. I ride with my dad quite often though, he's always behind, but I appreciate that he takes me places to ride Also, are you guys those people that put their heads down and just ride as fast as they can? I see a lot of bikers like that(purely for exercise I'm guessing) but I prefer leaning a bit and going at a medium speed, probably 12-16mph or something like that. I like to look out at the environment and enjoy the moment

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Congrats on getting as far as you have - I have a few friends that regularly bring up the subject of buying their first road bike but they always find a reason not to pull the trigger.
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Been there done that. Also have a few guys who show up for group rides who remember the group they were riding in 3 years ago and decide that should still be good for them instead of dropping down a group or two, despite having not ridden in most that time.

As others have suggested, use rides with him as an opportunity to practice spinning drills, realize that the portion of your ride "with him" won't last all that long and plan to complete the rest of your ride after he's done and deposited back at his.

Even in the most fit of groups there is an occassion when someone pops and another sacrifices himself to see the withered balloon home, while the rest of the group charges on. I've been on all three sides of the equation. We all pay our dues, so that maybe someday they'll be returned.

However, chances are that he's actually not that into it and is only coming out with you because otherwise he couldn't continue to talk about cycling with you at work. He'll be relieved once he sells the bike and can devote himself fully to gaming.
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Originally Posted by bianchi10
I have a friend that I got into the sport last year. He bought a giant and then 2 months later thought it was crap so we worked out a deal with him buying my ridley and I upgraded to my Supersix, a win-win situation. Since then he has ridden a total of 3 times. Everytime I talk about riding he gets all excited and says,"bro we gotta ride together soon!" So we planned it this past weekend that we would ride together today. I didn't have high expectations since I knew he hadn't ridden much, so I told myself that this ride was for him, not me.

I told him before leaving my place to just pace himself and take it easy since he hasn't ridden much. Dont take off, control your breathing, don't blow your nutt on the first hill, get in a good warm up. We pull out of my drive way and onto the road which is an immediate slight hill. I look up and what is he doing? Out of the saddle and sprinting up this hill!? I yell at him to stop but he cant hear me. I didn't change my cadence and of course caught him shortly. I looked at him and said, "What are you doing!?" Of course he cant respond because he is COMPLETELY out of breath. I'm trying to get him to control his breathing but he wont listen to me. He died on every hill and mole hill. I didn't want to take off on him to far so i would just coast down hills while slightly pedaling. I would look back and he was usually stopped at the top of every hill, unclipped and slugging water. 3 miles into this ride and I was screaming out of frustration and yelling out load..."WTF!!!!********** COME ON!!!" Loud enough to release some frustration but he was so far away from me, he couldn't hear me. I know that I said I shouldn't expect much from him, but he was riding around 7mph for goodness sake!! I would hold back and ride along side trying to give some pointers but trying to not come across like a jerk. I noticed his bike was not set up right so I pulled him to the side and lowered his seatpost a bunch, leveled his saddle and bars. we got going again and that seemed to help a lot but he was still really tired and out of condition. I told him that you cant replace riding with anything else. if you want to get in good cycling condition, you simply have to ride. We made a total of 8 miles by the time we got back to my place and he looked like he just crossed the finish line to his first century ride! When we got back he told me that before me making the adjustments to his bike, he had mad eup his mind that he was gonna sell his bike because he just wan't having fun. After the adjustments he was so much more comfortable and was really able to push himself better without being in pain. He is 5'8" and 150lbs so I wasn't expecting him to suck like a fat kid eating cake lol.

My time to ride is very valuable to me because with 2 kids and a full time job, I have to get in my time when i can. He is a good friend of mine and i want him to get better and enjoy it (Especially since i got him into it) but I dont want to waste my ride time doing 7-10mph! Next time he asks me to ride, I'm gonna feel like telling him no, but I dont want to be rude.


How many of you got a friend into cycling but now dread it when they ask you to ride with them? Obviously we all have different priorities in life and cycling isn't everyones. Some people are fine just riding whenever they get the urge, while others make compromises to their daily life just to fit a ride into their schedule. But I find it can be PAINFUL to ride with someone who doesn't make any effort to condition themselves to be better/stronger.
Your friend has a long way to go. In an analogy, he wants 'the quick fix'. Meaning, He needs to start learning patience. He wants results too fast.

I am 'basically'(5'6", 154pds.) the same dimensions as him. I will 'power pedal' a hill, in 4th, or 12th gear depending on the incline of the hill. It is because I tire out too easy in the lower gears on a hill. I use the lower gears to rest.

I am usually going 20-25mph on the flats. But all that is from experience, not haste.
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He says "Bro" and plays video games..... uh...you need new friends- or better yet, just do what I do and ride solo! Guy sounds like a freakin' teenager!

He might like bikes...but he is definitely not into riding. If he were, he'd be out actually doing it, and paying his "dues" till he gets better. Instead, he's making you pay the dues....and he'll just walk away in a month or two, abandoning his bike for a paintball gun or a lava lamp or something.

A few weeks later:

Bianchi10: So, have you gone riding lately?
Idjut friend: "Hah, no way, dude! I'm really like into this Slinky, now, bro!"
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I used to find lots of excuses not to ride. Namely the nature of my work and the intensity of my training/long hours. Now I have gotten better about planning ahead to make sure I follow through, and remind myself that fatigued miles are a lot better than no miles.
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No, I don't have any friends like that.
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Nick, I suggest this with all due respect. Is there any chance he really isn't interested in riding at all, and is just putting on for your sake? Maybe he hasn't the slightest interest in riding, but thinks he has to talk it up to stay close to you. Maybe even buying the bike was not really his idea, but he thought he had to IOT keep up with you. I suggest cooling the riding talk and seeing what happens. If he wants to, he will do it on his own. If he doesn't, your (gentle) pushing isn't going to do any long run good. If/when he is ever a cyclist on his own account, you can go back to trying to ride with him. Until then, it is to no avail.

Good luck with this one. I think buying the ENVEs was easier!

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Nick, I suggest this with all due respect. Is there any chance he really isn't interested in riding at all, and is just putting on for your sake? Maybe he hasn't the slightest interest in riding, but thinks he has to talk it up to stay close to you. Maybe even buying the bike was not really his idea, but he thought he had to IOT keep up with you. I suggest cooling the riding talk and seeing what happens. If he wants to, he will do it on his own. If he doesn't, your (gentle) pushing isn't going to do any long run good. If/when he is ever a cyclist on his own account, you can go back to trying to ride with him. Until then, it is to no avail.

Good luck with this one. I think buying the ENVEs was easier!

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It sounds more like the "dude" is just very immature. Like he is interested in cycling, but just wants to go out and do it, as if he was doing it for years already- without taking the time to properly build up a proper base. Instant gratification. I'd bet such a scenario is actually very common. People get into it thinking that they can just buy the equipment and be good at it. If they're not good at it right away, they assume that they need better equipment. Then when they're not good at it with the better equipment, they give up. It's easy to buy stuff.....but it takes some character to stick with it at first when you are a weak noob. This is why there are a lot of hardly-used used bikes for sale.

Funny, too- as I could almost be like that. Usually, when I start some new endeavor, I start at an advanced level, because I usually enter any given pursuit with a good base of knowledge from the beginning.....but with something like cycling which requires endurance and fitness...I had to start as a rank beginner- something I haven't done since I can't remember when in any other pursuit. You have to have the desire to do it, and the character required to stick with it, even when you suck at it at first. Me, I thought I'd be a natural at cycling, because I used to live on my bike when I was a kid. The reality was: That was a long time ago....and I had to start over now as an out-of-shape and overweight old fart...but I wanted to do it bad enough that I stuck with it- even when it took me 01:20 to go 11 miles, and I had to rest half way up every hill and then again at the tops, and could hardly breathe.

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I havent had that happen that badly but when I ride with someone and the pace is down Thats like 15 mph I just keep in on small ring and make it a very hi spinning ride the entire time keeps my speed down and I still get something out of it.
Now you can barrow my grand kids LOL 7 and 10 I take them for rides I take my MB and they have MB's they ride around 12 - 15 mph and have gone 30 miles
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