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Shimano Ultegra 6800 11-Speed is here!

Old 05-01-13, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by coasting View Post
Opinions presented as facts. By the way, that campag crankset looks like ass.
What I mean about your lack of perception. Look...I know you can't help it. Common sense isn't all that common.
Campag carbon UT crank is the flagship aesthetically. In fact, immitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Both Sram and FSA sure as hell didn't want to go down the industrial road of Shimano..lol...which looks like something out of a bad mad max movie. Instead, they came with slightly uglier versions of the benchmark...Campy carbon crank. Originals are hard to beat.
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This thread is about ultegra 6800, not how much campag gets you wet.
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Originally Posted by coasting View Post
This thread is about ultegra 6800, not how much campag gets you wet.
In that case...there seems to be a consistent theme here. Go back and read the whole thread. You have contributed NOTHING....nada...zip...zero...negative...zilch to this thread other than derision. Do you own a bike?...lol.
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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
In that case...there seems to be a consistent theme here. Go back and read the whole thread. You have contributed NOTHING....nada...zip...zero...negative...zilch to this thread other than derision. Do you own a bike?...lol.
All you've contributed is threadcrapping. The only one who appreciates your "contributions" to this thread is you. Seriously.

Moving on to real discussion, seems we'll have to wait until next year for 5800 to get a 12-27 11-speed?
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Why can people not understand that while one person prefers one thing others may prefer another? There is a reason that there is more than one company in this business, if one was so much more superior to the others this would not be. Live and let live is what I say.

Personally, I'll take my Quarq cranksets over the Shimano or the Campy. Looks don't mean nearly as much to me as function.
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Originally Posted by Bathwater View Post
they're very sleek, futuristic, and organic, like Robocop's dick or something. But when attached to a frame they appear a bit out of place. Something about all the rigid corners and exposed mechanics on a bike contrasted with the sleekness of the cranks just doesn't match well for me.

This is poetry. and I agree with this 100% Ultegra just looks odd on a bike. FSA or SRam for me on the crank, but as long at the shifter works when i need them, I dont care if its 5700, 9000, 6700 6800 or 43xx or if it has 9 10 or 11 speeds on the back. Just get up the blasting hill and dont make a bunch of clicky grindy noises in the process.

I couldn't give a rat's ass about pull ratios.
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Originally Posted by banerjek View Post
Like how they brought us shifting on the hoods? Oh wait....

This thread has been highly educational. I had no idea how badly Ultegra worked, how uncomfortable it was, or how confusing and difficult it is to operate. If only someone could introduce more minutia from Campy marketing materials to help us understand why they make changing gears so much easier than everyone else.
No kidding. I actually like 6700...who knew how craptacular it is.

I personally like the look of the new Dura Ace crank, ultegra being a copy is alright too. Campy cranks like the pictured one are gawd awful in my book.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
All you've contributed is threadcrapping. The only one who appreciates your "contributions" to this thread is you. Seriously.

Moving on to real discussion, seems we'll have to wait until next year for 5800 to get a 12-27 11-speed?
Project much? I attempted a technical discussion earlier which basically was verbatim of what what stated in the Radar review. It became common knowledge for the technically inclined when DA9000 came out. And yet it went over most poster's heads that responded to this thread including yours.
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Originally Posted by RJM View Post
No kidding. I actually like 6700...who knew how craptacular it is.

I personally like the look of the new Dura Ace crank, ultegra being a copy is alright too. Campy cranks like the pictured one are gawd awful in my book.
Virtually every review of 7900/6700 stated the obvious. Don't ride 6800. You might not be able to tell the difference.
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So your expertise comes from reading bicycling magazines!
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FYI - don't expect to see this group in the aftermarket for MONTHS.


Many, many MONTHS.
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Originally Posted by coasting View Post
The guy is a campy fanboy according to his screenname. Yet he is pontificating and lecturing us on the problems of Ultegra. Seems like a saboteur with an axe to grind.
Who's posted in this thread?

Campig4 - 39 posts
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banerjek - 12 posts
krtasoc - 6 posts
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You seem to be right, we have ourselves a trollish fanboy with an axe to grind.
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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
Virtually every review of 7900/6700 stated the obvious. Don't ride 6800. You might not be able to tell the difference.
Have you ridden it and for how long?
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
FYI - don't expect to see this group in the aftermarket for MONTHS.
Many, many MONTHS.
One of my larger distributors has it slated to start shipping in July/August for pre-orders. Of course this may change with production and availability.

Although I just bought DA 9000 (which is awesome!) I am excited about this group. Shifting and braking compared to the previous generation is greatly improved.
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I can't remember the last time Shimano hit a delivery date. I wouldn't bank on it changing any time soon.

The industry has just about had it and changes are afoot.
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Sounds interesting. Inquiring minds would like to know. Info from higher up the food chain is always appreciated.
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I'm usually pretty open about the industry but this one I need to NOT talk about.
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Very well. Im sure I'll read about it in Bicycle Retailer
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Who's posted in this thread?

Campig4 - 39 posts
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You seem to be right, we have ourselves a trollish fanboy with an axe to grind.
Just added him to my ignore list. I don't like doing that, and almost never do, but he's a waste of my time to even have to skip down past.
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Originally Posted by Ingleside View Post
One of my larger distributors has it slated to start shipping in July/August for pre-orders. Of course this may change with production and availability.

Although I just bought DA 9000 (which is awesome!) I am excited about this group. Shifting and braking compared to the previous generation is greatly improved.
Thank you for the validation...lol.
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Originally Posted by coasting View Post
So your expertise comes from reading bicycling magazines!
I get my info from sources excluding yours...in other words everywhere.
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Originally Posted by RJM View Post
Have you ridden it and for how long?
Rode DA 7900 for a year. I in fact bought it in backlash to all the bad press it has gotten since its ill fated release. I have ridden DA7800 a bit previously and found it to be very good. In other words, I didn't believe the press so much. After owning it, I agreed with reviews. Was pretty surprised Shimano would put it out there as their then flagship. Hard to say why...but maybe they had their best engineers working at the time on Di2.
Have ridden both new Di2 and DA9000...but don't own it but could and believe I would be very happy with either. Both are great. There is no comparison between DA9000 and DA7900...complete redesign.
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Originally Posted by THSdrummer View Post
Ultegra Di2 is 10 speed? So does this mean 2015's Ultegra Di2 will be 11 speed, rendering all who ride 6770 now obsolete?

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about all these changes and new options, but the next few years seem like they will be intense with groupset changes between going 11-speed and electronic.
This is a great topic. I am interested if they will somehow make Di2 compatible (is it a software change?) or if Di3 will come out to replace it.

Also, Shimano road disc will come out so there will be a different line containing the hydraulic road group. So, I'm curious if Shimano will have two parallel groups (hydro and mechanical)- seems logical.

But yes, a bonus for the bicycle market in that they figured out a way to necessitate a full-bike change from the ground up and charge more for it.
At the same time, I feel like these are exciting improvements.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
Just added him to my ignore list. I don't like doing that, and almost never do, but he's a waste of my time to even have to skip down past.
Thank you btw. Coasting, even though you are my straight man...would you as well?

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This is a great topic. I am interested if they will somehow make Di2 compatible (is it a software change?) or if Di3 will come out to replace it.

Also, Shimano road disc will come out so there will be a different line containing the hydraulic road group. So, I'm curious if Shimano will have two parallel groups (hydro and mechanical)- seems logical.

But yes, a bonus for the bicycle market in that they figured out a way to necessitate a full-bike change from the ground up and charge more for it.
At the same time, I feel like these are exciting improvements.
It won't be called Di3 - Di2 is for "Digital integrated intelligence".

And what do you mean, "make Di2 compatible"? I'm sure 6870 will come out before long, but of course the 6800 shifters and derailleurs will not work with Di2. The crank, brakes, and cassette will, of course.

I hear you though; I'm waiting on a new bike until all of this change settles down. The 130mm rear gave us what, a decade or so of stability? Let's see what happens with discs, internal routing, and 11-speed.
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