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Cycling distances and sprints: Seated or standed?

Old 05-13-13, 12:43 AM
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Cycling distances and sprints: Seated or standed?

Edit *Seated or standing*

Allot of riders are against riding standing, but I find seated riding to be uncomfortable at times due to the same position and no variety.

Standing cycling gives me a more complete feeling because there is no way to relax while standing.
Others warn against standing and say you get a more complete ride seated.

What are your opinions on riding seated or standing?
What gives a better run? Seated, standing, or maybe a combination of both?
Distances and sprints?

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Definitely stand on the long distance so your legs don't get starved for blood by sitting on your butt for so long. sprint while sitting so you can get the most torque from your thigh muscles.
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Originally Posted by robble
Definitely stand on the long distance so your legs don't get starved for blood by sitting on your butt for so long. sprint while sitting so you can get the most torque from your thigh muscles.
Those are great tips. I sprint uphill better standing though.
Just me?
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Originally Posted by tariqa
Those are great tips. I sprint uphill better standing though.
Just me?
Then again now that I think of it, maybe it is not better (more efficient) but just easier. However sprinting uphill standing does work the arm muscles I notice more. Great experience.
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Getting out of the saddle every so often helps relieve saddle pressure, stretch your legs and lower back. It might not be the most efficient position but for short duration doesn't hurt. And just because your out of the saddle it doesn't mean your have to go full out, I can climb easily out of the saddle without getting my HR up.
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take your saddle off. you'll save about 1/2 lb, and you can stand to your heart's content.
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Originally Posted by robble
sprint while sitting so you can get the most torque from your thigh muscles.
Hmmm...I dunno about that. I would say one *must* to jump out of the saddle to execute a sprint, and that if you're not out of the saddle, you're not sprinting. Hands in the drops, stay low, but out of the saddle.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
Hmmm...I dunno about that. I would say one *must* to jump out of the saddle to execute a sprint, and that if you're not out of the saddle, you're not sprinting. Hands in the drops, stay low, but out of the saddle.
You do not have to get out of the saddle to sprint. It is just that most people do it.
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Originally Posted by topflightpro
You do not have to get out of the saddle to sprint. It is just that most people do it.
Correct.

With anticipation and good timing you can spin up a gear and place yourself on the right wheel at the right moment without standing. This is something I've gotten a lot better at over the years.
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina
Correct.

With anticipation and good timing you can spin up a gear and place yourself on the right wheel at the right moment without standing. This is something I've gotten a lot better at over the years.
Still...I think jumping on someone's wheel is just that, a jump, and that can be done seated, but sprinting? Sprinting is about getting away, and that's done out of the saddle.

I'm not trying to be pedantic about it, just noting the conventional definition of a sprint in pro cycling is an out-of-the-saddle effort. That's how the greats did it: Cippolini, Cavendish, Kelly, Zabel, and dare I say it, but Lance.
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You can catch a wheel seated if you're strong enough, no problem.

Standing has always been hard for me. It would use up far too much energy and take too long to recover. I was better off doing everything seated so I could recovery quickly.

This year I moved my cleats back about an inch and a halfor more . Standing became less work and I've actually been working on standing more with less fatigue. I always knew I needed to be able to do both but thought I was physically incapable of standing.

Wish I would have moved my cleats back 20 years ago:-(
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Road bikes and BMX seats are not made for sitting.... point the seat nose upward to make it impossible.
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Standing should be harder and require more recover because usually standing is what you do when you really want to attack a hill or a sprint as hard as you can. Its not really something meant to be sustained for long. Although, I know an amazing Rando guy that does a lot of low intensity standing off and on - I assume its to keep the blood flowing and vary the muscles being used.

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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina
Correct.

With anticipation and good timing you can spin up a gear and place yourself on the right wheel at the right moment without standing. This is something I've gotten a lot better at over the years.
riding lots of velodrome will give most people a great seated sprint.
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Originally Posted by pdedes
riding lots of velodrome will give most people a great seated sprint.
I dunno...even in sprint racing, when the sprint starts, they're out of the saddle...



I'm not saying you've gotta be standing for the duration of sprint, but if you're going to sprint, you've gotta get out of the saddle.
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There is no way someone could outsprint me sitting in the saddle while I'm out of the saddle.

is this some kind of troll thread?

I used to do long, 3-5mile standing climbs to train. At first it was hard, then I learned not to be bad.
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Originally Posted by 99Klein
You can catch a wheel seated if you're strong enough, no problem.
Depends whose wheel you're trying to catch People stand because it's easier to pull on the bars when standing. If you want to put out 1100W @ 90 RPM the peak force on the pedals is over 300lbs which is much higher than your bodyweight alone will support so you need to pull hard on the bars.

For the track sprinters shown earlier the peak forces are obviously much higher when they are starting their sprint as they have fixed gears and start at a relatively low RPM and put out 2000+W. Once they get up to speed and are spinning at 120+ RPM their power has dropped, the peak force on the pedals goes down and they can sit.
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Originally Posted by ovoleg

is this some kind of troll thread?
there are several broken sarcasm meters in this thread.
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[QUOTE=gregf83;156213041100W @ 90 RPM the peak force on the pedals is over 300lbs which is much higher than your bodyweight alone will support so you need to pull hard on the bars.[/QUOTE]

Not if you weigh 300lbs. You just need to get your weight up. Eat more :-)
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If by sprint you mean, "this is the end of the race, after this I'm going to fall over and pass out" level of effort. Yes, you need to get out of the saddle to do that effectively. If by sprint you mean, "I'm going to attack from about 10 to 13 wheels back and then stay away afterwards." Yes, that can be done seated.
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I couldn't imagine sitting on the saddle the whole ride.. for one i'd get bored. I'm a light climber person anyway so i enjoy standing up and going at hills hard. I have also found that middle range like Clausen where i'm standing but just kind of rolling it over. on longer hills i'll do a combo of all of them depending on how it feels.
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Originally Posted by clausen
I can climb easily out of the saddle without getting my HR up.
Wish I could do that
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