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Nice long descents on Long Island between the NYC and Syosset, Bethpage, MAssapequa?

Old 05-15-13, 08:30 PM
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Nice long descents on Long Island between the NYC and Syosset, Bethpage, MAssapequa?

The steeper, the better. The only good one I know of is in Kissena but there are quite a bit of cars there that I don't dare go at full speed (I was going 31.5 mph but was throttling the brakes a bit, nervous that the occasional car would try to turn into the perpendicular road at the crossroad). But most cars don't cure towards my path but rather keep going ahead so it's not that horrible. But still, I'd certainly prefer a nice descent where I won't have to go through a crossroad. Cars are fine as long as there is still ample room to descend quickly. Better yet is if there are very few cars.

A few small ascents are fine as long as I can easily go over them with the help of teh speed gained from the descent.

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You trying to set a speed record? Wrong island. Maybe try Beacon Hill toward the water past Roslyn.
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Originally Posted by island rider View Post
You trying to set a speed record? Wrong island. Maybe try Beacon Hill toward the water past Roslyn.
Hmm. A close enough drive. Thanks. I'll head there this weekend.

Do you know of any good spots north of Lond Island, above the Bronx? Or somewhere in South Connecticut near New York, South and South West of Norwalk preferably?
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Old 05-16-13, 04:11 AM
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Bear mountain is the only real descent anywhere near nyc.
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Originally Posted by j814wong View Post
The steeper, the better. The only good one I know of is in Kissena but there are quite a bit of cars there that I don't dare go at full speed (I was going 31.5 mph but was throttling the brakes a bit, nervous that the occasional car would try to turn into the perpendicular road at the crossroad). But most cars don't cure towards my path but rather keep going ahead so it's not that horrible. But still, I'd certainly prefer a nice descent where I won't have to go through a crossroad. Cars are fine as long as there is still ample room to descend quickly. Better yet is if there are very few cars.

A few small ascents are fine as long as I can easily go over them with the help of teh speed gained from the descent.

Thanks.
Why don't you try downhill mtb racing?
If you are throttling the brakes on a downhill at 31.5 mph my advice to you would be to learn how to ride well then proceed to look for steep descents if not you are going to get hurt. Once you master the handling of your bike then worry about speed
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Old 05-16-13, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by j814wong View Post
Hmm. A close enough drive. Thanks. I'll head there this weekend.

Do you know of any good spots north of Lond Island, above the Bronx? Or somewhere in South Connecticut near New York, South and South West of Norwalk preferably?
I'm really wondering why you are asking. I've been looking for climbs in the same area for training and have found a few that will suffice, but if you're just looking to bomb a hill as fast as you can, I'm not sure anything around here is going to meet your needs.
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Originally Posted by island rider View Post
I'm really wondering why you are asking. I've been looking for climbs in the same area for training and have found a few that will suffice, but if you're just looking to bomb a hill as fast as you can, I'm not sure anything around here is going to meet your needs.
Better question is why?
Jump in behind a city bus, dial your quads up to 400 watts, drop it in the 53x11 and you'll be doing 50 mph...

Actually to maintain that 50-52 mph it's more like 600 watts at 180 pounds...
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Old 05-16-13, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
Better question is why?
Jump in behind a city bus, dial your quads up to 400 watts, drop it in the 53x11 and you'll be doing 50 mph...

Actually to maintain that 50-52 mph it's more like 600 watts at 180 pounds...
Yup. That's why I ask. I wonder if the OP is looking to experience some thrill of life on the edge. Better to go try his hand at street luge in the rockies or something.
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Originally Posted by island rider View Post
Yup. That's why I ask. I wonder if the OP is looking to experience some thrill of life on the edge. Better to go try his hand at street luge in the rockies or something.
My fear, as I have with many riders, is that they want to go fast but don't know how.
I hate a piece of metal descending in a group last year at 30+ mph, blew my tubular instantly, an inexperienced rider would have panicked and wrecked. Ole rk just rolled it out until I could stop safely. Going fast is one thing. Going fast in control safely is another. I've descended at 60+, I've descended at 50+ sitting on the top tube with my chin on the stem, I've descended at 40+ with no hands on the bars, I've taken both hands off the bars in the middle of the pack in a crit to put my glasses in my jersey.
Am I bragging? No, just showing the difference experience makes.
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Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
My fear, as I have with many riders, is that they want to go fast but don't know how.
Please stop making sense.
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Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
Why don't you try downhill mtb racing?
If you are throttling the brakes on a downhill at 31.5 mph my advice to you would be to learn how to ride well then proceed to look for steep descents if not you are going to get hurt. Once you master the handling of your bike then worry about speed
It's not that I can't handle the bike. I'm just nervous that someone may turn into me unexpectedly espcially at 30 mph. Otherwise, I handle quie well one roads with other cars.
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Old 05-16-13, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by j814wong View Post
It's not that I can't handle the bike. I'm just nervous that someone may turn into me unexpectedly espcially at 30 mph. Otherwise, I handle quie well one roads with other cars.
But what are you trying to accomplish?
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Old 05-16-13, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by island rider View Post
I'm really wondering why you are asking. I've been looking for climbs in the same area for training and have found a few that will suffice, but if you're just looking to bomb a hill as fast as you can, I'm not sure anything around here is going to meet your needs.
Could you recommend some of those routes in the area that are good for training? I've only been relying on pedestrian and cycling paths most of the time but would like to ride more on lower traffic streets (better if there are less traffic lights). The S. Service Road next to the LIE is quite nice.

And let me chang emy question a bit. Descents don't have to be long but the net elevation change should be a negative one preferably with not too many ascents. So varying between some ascents and descents is fine as long as, by teh end of the part, I will have had a negative net elevation change.

Thanks again.
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But what are you trying to accomplish?
I just want to find some nice descents to enjoy. It's not for training purposes.
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Old 05-16-13, 01:06 PM
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But what are you trying to accomplish?
I just want to find some nice descents to enjoy. It's not for training purposes.
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Originally Posted by j814wong View Post
Could you recommend some of those routes in the area that are good for training? I've only been relying on pedestrian and cycling paths most of the time but would like to ride more on lower traffic streets (better if there are less traffic lights). The S. Service Road next to the LIE is quite nice.

And let me chang emy question a bit. Descents don't have to be long but the net elevation change should be a negative one preferably with not too many ascents. So varying between some ascents and descents is fine as long as, by teh end of the part, I will have had a negative net elevation change.

Thanks again.
Well drive out to the Catskills and ride into the city. If not you can never have a negative net elevation change as if you ride back to the starting point of your ride you will be at the same elevation as when you started therefore all the descending you did has to be made up somewhere unless you are going in only one direction...
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Originally Posted by j814wong View Post
Could you recommend some of those routes in the area that are good for training? I've only been relying on pedestrian and cycling paths most of the time but would like to ride more on lower traffic streets (better if there are less traffic lights). The S. Service Road next to the LIE is quite nice.
Ignoring the second half of your post... The north shore of long island has countless roads that are good for training/riding. Any Saturday or Sunday morning in the summer the roads from Huntington to Port Washington north of 25a will literally be lousy with cyclists. Look on Strava, GarminConnect etc. for routes. Look at the websites of Mineola Bike Club, Huntington Bicycle Club, Long Island Bicycle Club as well. Ask around about the Triangle Ride if you want a hard ride. If you want race training north of the city go to Greenwich High School on a Wed night and ride with the hammer heads. Soundcyclists is probably one of the larger clubs in the area and is located in southern ct.

You can do some organised rides in the area and learn roads too. Try the mansions tour or the gold coast century on long island or the bloomin metric in CT.

Or - post in the Northeast forum. There are a few people in there who can help you out too.

(Now I'll wait while the Mods move this to the Northeast forum.)
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Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
Well drive out to the Catskills and ride into the city. If not you can never have a negative net elevation change as if you ride back to the starting point of your ride you will be at the same elevation as when you started therefore all the descending you did has to be made up somewhere unless you are going in only one direction...
You just threw physics into the equation, and wrecked everything.
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Originally Posted by j814wong View Post
It's not that I can't handle the bike. I'm just nervous that someone may turn into me unexpectedly espcially at 30 mph. Otherwise, I handle quie well one roads with other cars.
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Originally Posted by island rider View Post
Ignoring the second half of your post... The north shore of long island has countless roads that are good for training/riding. Any Saturday or Sunday morning in the summer the roads from Huntington to Port Washington north of 25a will literally be lousy with cyclists. Look on Strava, GarminConnect etc. for routes. Look at the websites of Mineola Bike Club, Huntington Bicycle Club, Long Island Bicycle Club as well. Ask around about the Triangle Ride if you want a hard ride. If you want race training north of the city go to Greenwich High School on a Wed night and ride with the hammer heads. Soundcyclists is probably one of the larger clubs in the area and is located in southern ct.

You can do some organised rides in the area and learn roads too. Try the mansions tour or the gold coast century on long island or the bloomin metric in CT.

Or - post in the Northeast forum. There are a few people in there who can help you out too.

(Now I'll wait while the Mods move this to the Northeast forum.)
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j814wong, what botto is trying to say here is that, if you are getting nervous about unexpected encounters with traffic at 31mph, your bike handling skills are on the weak side. Experience will help with this, but that's not a particularly high speed and with better skills you can definitely have the confidence to go those speeds knowing that you can react to traffic appropriately.
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I missed something there.
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Dude...to descend, first you must climb. If you cannot climb that which you wish to descend, you have not spent enough time on your bike to be bombing down things like that.
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I used to live in Massapequa. Between the city line and there, you might descend all of a whopping 25 feet.

Crank the downside of the overpass over the Meadowbrook.
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I'll say it again: Farmingville! Biggest hills on LI, asnd LI's highest point. Blue Point Rd and Adirondack, between Between Horseblock Rd and Mooney Pond Rd, are like freaking mountain ranges...but do have some 4-way stops...but few cars. County Rd. 83 a.k.a. N. Ocean Avenue a.k.a. Patchogue-Mt. Sanai Rd. goes right past the highest point on LI, and is a four lane divided highway with a full shoulder, and you can go up and down the hill between the lights at Granny Rd. and Mooney Pond (Or is called Paul's Path at that point?).

Give it a try- You won't get any better/bigger hills on LI or in NYC.
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