Who really likes 50-34?
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On Saturday's group ride, for the first time, I found myself wishing I had a bigger gear than 50-11. Big bunch hammering along a long stretch with a tailwind and slight downhill grade, we were hitting 36mph and I kept pushing my gear lever something bigger. I think my cadence was around 110. Other than that though, I like it: I can use the big ring for most of a ride, only switching to the little ring for steeper stuff.
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Huh? You won't have any problems getting into the big/big if you size the chain correctly. The only place you run into issues is the small/small combos, and all that happens is that there wont be enough tension on the chain causing the chain to rub on itself. This doesnt' lead to a catastrophic failure like too short of a chain.
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On Saturday's group ride, for the first time, I found myself wishing I had a bigger gear than 50-11. Big bunch hammering along a long stretch with a tailwind and slight downhill grade, we were hitting 36mph and I kept pushing my gear lever something bigger. I think my cadence was around 110. Other than that though, I like it: I can use the big ring for most of a ride, only switching to the little ring for steeper stuff.
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Feel ya there. Gearing is one big tradeoff basically. Can't have super tight spacing + big cassette spread. A triple does help tho if you want to deal with 3 chainrings. As discussed, I am going to 50-38 w/13-29. I know I will miss 50-12 for descending. I gave my rational earlier. If riding a paceline on roads you don't know where you have obstructed vision of the pavement and riding over 30 mph....believe you are at risk. Many accept this however. I have routinely descended at 35 mph on a road where I know every bump. But the dynamic changes in a paceline where you don't know the road and pot holes loom. This happened on my century a week ago but was lucky. I do like 50-12 however which I think is a good gear for an average rider like myself. For a racer? I agree with you that 50-11 is good and if say a Cat 1-2, likely will want a full size crank. Gearing should match a rider's strength and if routinely riding over 25 mph then likely a full size crank is best and you will have enough power to get up the hills.
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Yeah, but now we are at the consideration of the "1% solution". What BOBONES is describing-tailwind, downhill, aggressive pack riding-represents a tiny fraction (perhaps) of his riding experience. As he said himself, it was the first time he needed a bigger gear. So the question is which extreme do you want to prepare for if you can't have both? Which is the more likely situation and the one that his harder to handle with inappropriate gearing? Spinning out or not being able to make it up the hill? Everybody has to answer this for himself. It makes no sense to go back and forth based on the last bad situation you experienced, i.e. run a compact for hills until you spin out and then run a standard until you struggle on a tough climb and so on. You have to decide what problem you want to be prepared for and stick with that. The triple saves one from having to make the choice, but not everyone needs that.
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At the CapTex tri yesterday, I did zero front shifting on my 50-36 compact by staying in the 50t for the entire race. There was one big hill that many people with 53+t fronts had to drop to their small rings for, so in certain cases (and an important one for me), a compact involves less front shifting, not more. Which one is superior depends primarily on fitness level, terrain, and purpose.
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At the CapTex tri yesterday, I did zero front shifting on my 50-36 compact by staying in the 50t for the entire race. There was one big hill that many people with 53+t fronts had to drop to their small rings for, so in certain cases (and an important one for me), a compact involves less front shifting, not more. Which one is superior depends primarily on fitness level, terrain, and purpose.
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I race Cat 3 in Florida. My current set up is 50/34 and 11/23. I never feel like I need more gear. That gets you to 36 mph at 100 RPM, which is my preferred cadence when you're flying, and 43mph in a sprint at 120 rpm ( a speed I cn only sprint at in rare circumstances)
Admittedly, I didn't spec the compact for Florida, and will likely go to a 52/36 when I get around to it. But you don't need the 52 to not spin out.
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Agreed that gearing choices are inherently personal. But if you're spinning out on a compact in Florida, you may want to work on cadence.
I race Cat 3 in Florida. My current set up is 50/34 and 11/23. I never feel like I need more gear. That gets you to 36 mph at 100 RPM, which is my preferred cadence when you're flying, and 43mph in a sprint at 120 rpm ( a speed I cn only sprint at in rare circumstances)
Admittedly, I didn't spec the compact for Florida, and will likely go to a 52/36 when I get around to it. But you don't need the 52 to not spin out.
I race Cat 3 in Florida. My current set up is 50/34 and 11/23. I never feel like I need more gear. That gets you to 36 mph at 100 RPM, which is my preferred cadence when you're flying, and 43mph in a sprint at 120 rpm ( a speed I cn only sprint at in rare circumstances)
Admittedly, I didn't spec the compact for Florida, and will likely go to a 52/36 when I get around to it. But you don't need the 52 to not spin out.
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I spec'd the bike specifically for the US Pro Cycling Challenge in Colorado last year, with tons of climbing.
For just Florida, I'd go with a conventional crank.
My plan was to swap rings on the compact to 52/36 for around here.
But I haven't found the 50/34 setup to be enough of an issue to bother changing to the 52/36.
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Unless its a recovery ride, I'm almost always on the 50.
I spec'd the bike specifically for the US Pro Cycling Challenge in Colorado last year, with tons of climbing.
For just Florida, I'd go with a conventional crank.
My plan was to swap rings on the compact to 52/36 for around here.
But I haven't found the 50/34 setup to be enough of an issue to bother changing to the 52/36.
I spec'd the bike specifically for the US Pro Cycling Challenge in Colorado last year, with tons of climbing.
For just Florida, I'd go with a conventional crank.
My plan was to swap rings on the compact to 52/36 for around here.
But I haven't found the 50/34 setup to be enough of an issue to bother changing to the 52/36.
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Hi Ban, Likely you already know that SRAM will replace your brifter with the newer model that has the beefier paddle carrier - the part with the pawls on it - that broke at the lil' skinny part. Mine was over a year out of warranty; they replaced both, and it was 2nd time on the right/rear, no questions asked. I recommend cleaning and reassembling with better grease, which isn't terribly difficult. Too bad SRAM doesn't offer parts, that's a drawback.
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50/39 with an 11-28 cassette works great here in MN. There are some 18-22% grade hills, but they're only 800 ft max, usually much less.
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I see...thanks. Its probably your strength that allows living on the 50t to not be an issue. For me, I found myself X-chaining too much with the 34t inner ring and gearing just a bit too tall for general flat riding on the 50t. If in a more aggressive riding mode, no problem staying on the 50t but I don't always ride like that.
50 is ok except for speed on downhills.
52 can be too much for flatlanders.
36 just doesn't seem that much better than 34.
39 is too close to 42 depending on your cassette.
52/42 is ideal, except for steep hills and has the same problem as cross ratios - too tight (only 10t).
These are all just my personal opinions.
We all ride differently and on different terrain. We also have different tolerances for things like tight range on the cassette, cross-chaining and whatnot. Good dialogue with no real 'best' answer.
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This sums it up nicely. Yesterday I rode two of my bikes; one with the 52/42/30 triple and the other with the 50/34 compact. 42t is the magic number partially because it is exactly halfway between your compact range. From there, we make compromises.
50 is ok except for speed on downhills.
52 can be too much for flatlanders.
36 just doesn't seem that much better than 34.
39 is too close to 42 depending on your cassette.
52/42 is ideal, except for steep hills and has the same problem as cross ratios - too tight (only 10t).
These are all just my personal opinions.
We all ride differently and on different terrain. We also have different tolerances for things like tight range on the cassette, cross-chaining and whatnot. Good dialogue with no real 'best' answer.
50 is ok except for speed on downhills.
52 can be too much for flatlanders.
36 just doesn't seem that much better than 34.
39 is too close to 42 depending on your cassette.
52/42 is ideal, except for steep hills and has the same problem as cross ratios - too tight (only 10t).
These are all just my personal opinions.
We all ride differently and on different terrain. We also have different tolerances for things like tight range on the cassette, cross-chaining and whatnot. Good dialogue with no real 'best' answer.
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Very good,long lived, thread and actually civil the entire time. I am in Florida so take my set up with that pound of salt. I use a 50/36 SRAM compact with an 11-26 on back, bike is a CAAD 10 4. With the relatively flat terrain I am never looking for anything lower, rarely much on the low end of the small ring for that fact. I am an old guy so not looking at keeping a cadence like some are able to spin or racing at all anymore. I rode Road Doubles all my life, save a triple on my old R500 that I swapped out for a standard, and they were fine in this area. I've seen the "mid-compact" with 52-36 or 34 on a few bikes and thought about swapping my 50 for the 52, the hills here would not be a challenge with this, even for my level of fitness, so I would say that switching to the compact 50/34 has suited me just fine, to answer the OP from Campag. Thanks for all the information in this thread, it gives you something to think about and to compare in my mind.
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All this is very confusing...I cant decide which way to go. Seems like there isnt enough difference between a 36 (which I have) and a 34 when coupled with a 12-28. I have a 52 and was going to go back to a 50 and all I think I'll really gain from that is a little easier gearing on small to medium grades and a loss of overall speed. It might cut my quads some slack though....
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All this is very confusing...I cant decide which way to go. Seems like there isnt enough difference between a 36 (which I have) and a 34 when coupled with a 12-28. I have a 52 and was going to go back to a 50 and all I think I'll really gain from that is a little easier gearing on small to medium grades and a loss of overall speed. It might cut my quads some slack though....
1. The 34x13 maxes out around 24.5 mph@120rpm. The 36x13 gets you to 26mph.
2. At 90rpm, the 34x13 is only going 19mph, while the 36x13 gets you up to 20mph, the magical flat cruising speed for most recreational cyclists.
3. Shifts between the big and small ring usually require 1 less shift, for the 34 often times you need 2-3 shifts to get a similar gear, while with the 36t you only need 1-2.
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The point is that controls how fast you can go in the small ring without cross-chaining and thus before you need to shift the front. I go the other way: I use the 50t for the bulk of my work and only drop to my 36t for climbs I can't do in 50x24. That usually doesn't happen on tri courses but certainly does on training.
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All this is very confusing...I cant decide which way to go. Seems like there isnt enough difference between a 36 (which I have) and a 34 when coupled with a 12-28. I have a 52 and was going to go back to a 50 and all I think I'll really gain from that is a little easier gearing on small to medium grades and a loss of overall speed. It might cut my quads some slack though....
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50/36 is my favorite crankset combo, with an 11-25 on the back. (11-23 on really flat areas.)
Why?
Less gap in front.
50-11 is PLENTY tall combo for me to push (I think I finally "spun out" at about 42mph on a downhill the other day).
36-25 gives me enough to climb most things.
A "standard" double would require me to upsize my cassette (increasing the jump-size in back), and 52-11 is really getting ridiculous for mere mortals anyway.
Why?
Less gap in front.
50-11 is PLENTY tall combo for me to push (I think I finally "spun out" at about 42mph on a downhill the other day).
36-25 gives me enough to climb most things.
A "standard" double would require me to upsize my cassette (increasing the jump-size in back), and 52-11 is really getting ridiculous for mere mortals anyway.
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Not only do I like 50/34 I have 11-32 in the back. Love Sram Apex. You can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting some major hills.
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So you don't ever use any of the overlap between your rings? Its not always convenient to shift the front and the rear to get that one higher gear you need. Arbitrarily limiting yourself to like 16 out of your 20 gears seems silly. There is only 2 gears I don't use regularly. 36x12 and 50x27. Everything else is fair game.