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Old 06-15-13, 04:41 PM
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on the saddle or off the saddle??

Hello folks! Just wanted to get some tips on which work best during a climb, In my usual ride there is a climb that I would say a little challenging for most cyclist I see riding up. Not sure about the incline grade but its a continuous gradual climb , I usually stay on the saddle but yesterday I tried to do most of it off the saddle and I was surprised that it seemed easier and faster. So I think I will practice more riding off the saddle when climbing and see how it goes..I know it depends on the rider what works well but just kinda curious about which one work for most BF members..Thanks ..I gotta go ride now....If there is somebody from Wenatchee WA here I'm talking about Badger mountain road starting from 9th and eastmont..
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Old 06-15-13, 05:15 PM
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Depends on what i feel like doing at the time
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Try and practice both. There two different skills that you need.
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Old 06-15-13, 05:46 PM
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I go on and off the saddle pretty regularly on long climbs. Stand to mash and rest your lungs, sit to spin and "rest" your legs. That's more or less my preferred style.
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Originally Posted by yochris View Post
I go on and off the saddle pretty regularly on long climbs. Stand to mash and rest your lungs, sit to spin and "rest" your legs. That's more or less my preferred style.
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Seated, high tension is another useful skill
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Old 06-15-13, 07:04 PM
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Hi,

Seated is more efficient if you are racer, otherwise who cares ?

For most mere mortals the best way up a hill is in the saddle
more of the time, but out of the saddle to maintain speed or
pick up momentum to go back to a good saddle cadence.

Nothing wrong for fitness going up a hill out of the saddle,
and doing it that way probably less stressful for most.

rgds, sreten.
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Old 06-15-13, 07:19 PM
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I ride 95% of the climbs seated, and only stand to stretch my legs and back. Make sure you shift up when standing.
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Old 06-15-13, 07:22 PM
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Long shallow hill, I sit and mash. Short steep hill, I stand and stomp. Long steep hill, I look for another route.
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Most do both. Length of climb and how much incline determine what I'm doing.
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Old 06-15-13, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Alasdair View Post
Long shallow hill, I sit and mash. Short steep hill, I stand and stomp. Long steep hill, I look for another route.
Best quote ever.
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Old 06-15-13, 09:33 PM
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Pretty much as Alasdair says expect finding another hill part.
Depends on the climb, my attitude, etc.
Sitting and Standing uses different muscle groups and I give them all a good workout. I prefer to stand and jam on the short steep hills but on long climbs I'm usually seated but will get out of the saddle for 10 seconds here and there to give the muscles a bit of a break and use others then back in the saddle.
Make sure you peddle over the top though...that is the most important part of the climb to continue the effort through...
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Yap so true! That's what I did today..And you know you're up the top when you see this sign!






Originally Posted by clausen View Post
Try and practice both. There two different skills that you need.
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Old 06-16-13, 07:22 AM
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A student at my university performed a study comparing in and out of the saddle climbing efforts with VO2. It garnered a lot of attention. I'll see if I can get a copy of his results and email them to you.

As you said, it differs. Alberto Contador seems to be allergic to his saddle once he gets on a climb.

Personally, I climb seated. I slide back a tad and sit down to produce the power I need. I've noticed this method works great for me on climbs or any times I need to put in a hard surge. Plus, I just feel out flat uncomfortable out of the saddle.
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Old 06-16-13, 08:43 AM
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Maybe a bit of a highjack...But, can we talk about at what grade % people start switching to standing? I can power through 4% seated, but at 5% I need to stand. This is on 39x25.
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Maybe a bit of a highjack...But, can we talk about at what grade % people start switching to standing? I can power through 4% seated, but at 5% I need to stand. This is on 39x25.
I have a 34x25 and haven't met a hill I have had to stand on.

I met two large hills (largest I've ridden) that were about 600m and 800m hills. Both probably maxed out at 6-7% (pure guestimate). I planned on going over the first standing, but had just passed another athlete and didn't want to show off. Both were manageable in the saddle. In fact, between the two hills, I probably overtook about 15 riders (I was in a triathlon).
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Originally Posted by MrCharlie View Post
Maybe a bit of a highjack...But, can we talk about at what grade % people start switching to standing? I can power through 4% seated, but at 5% I need to stand. This is on 39x25.
For me it's not about the grade, but the level of fatigue at that point in the ride.
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Old 06-16-13, 04:12 PM
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A second hijack: a friend suggested I use the hill up to my house to practice climbing: it's moderate at the bottom, flattens out briefly followed by two very short but steep climbs. The whole thing is not even a mile. Almost no traffic. The idea is to ride up, cruise back down and ride up again. Rinse and repeat. Is this a good way to build your climbing skills? And if so, how would you approach it in terms of training?
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Maybe a bit of a highjack...But, can we talk about at what grade % people start switching to standing? I can power through 4% seated, but at 5% I need to stand. This is on 39x25.
It's not about grade. There is a short climb going to our track at 9%, I've climbed it in the saddle many times 34x23 at the end of a long ride. Most of the time I just stand and get over it.
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A second hijack: a friend suggested I use the hill up to my house to practice climbing: it's moderate at the bottom, flattens out briefly followed by two very short but steep climbs. The whole thing is not even a mile. Almost no traffic. The idea is to ride up, cruise back down and ride up again. Rinse and repeat. Is this a good way to build your climbing skills? And if so, how would you approach it in terms of training?
In a word, YES, it is called hill repeats, and the best tool to build climbing strength and endurance. Start off easy and go harder each time until failure. I try to do this once a week.
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My lowest gear is a 42X28. for most hills around here, I enter the hill without downshifting and increase the effort while still seated. If that gets too hard, I downshift until I run out of gears, then I stand and mash.
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Learn to do both well and you'll be an overall better climber. They use two different muscle groups.
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Both. It's good to get off the saddle once in a while.
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Well, just look at the TDF, most riders prefer the flats, some prefer the hills, the hill riders all stand
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Pretty even mix
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Pretty even mix
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I love how fast those guys go UP hill. My heroes.
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