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Old 06-28-13, 08:57 AM
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Shocking fugliness....

Techno cliché. That would be a positive spin. Different to the point of ugliness. While cookie cutter can't be embraced, either can the dark side. Styling new designs is always a risk having lived in the lack of black and white world of designers.
So what about the new FSA crank? To me its horrid. Even Ultegra looks better...lol. Sorry Shimano fans, to me the Ultegra cranks is a bit on the ugly side. I will say that Ultegra cranks have awesome performance for the dollar tho....they are great cranks. I also don't believe the new DA crank is as ugly as some believe. I believe it looks better than little sister Ultegra at least.

But then there is the new FSA crank...which looks to have a little bit of hillbilly in breeding with Ultegra:
https://velonews.competitor.com/2013/...rankset_292071

To me, this new crank has unforgivable ugliness. And there's more. Unlike Ultegra which can fit generic chain rings...kudos to Shimano for not going proprietary on Ultegra....new FSA with single spider aka DA with both compact and full size BCD compatibility...one can't use off the shelf chain rings on FSA's new crank. This of course promotes selling more chainrings for FSA...a trend we see all too common in the bike business.
At least when Campy started this crank trend ten years ago, it could be hacked with a dremmel by tweaking a std chainring by 2mm for the single eccentric mounting bolt that has 112mm BCD on their compact.
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I am a fan of FSA stuff, especially the black. This looks tons better than any silver/grey Shimano crank, IMHO. The new Dura Ace crank wins for ugliest in my book. The best Shimano cranks, looks-wise, are the black Sora and 105.
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Meh, not so shocking. #shrug
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I am a fan of FSA stuff, especially the black. This looks tons better than any silver/grey Shimano crank, IMHO. The new Dura Ace crank wins for ugliest in my book. The best Shimano cranks, looks-wise, are the black Sora and 105.
Beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder because I think a black crank is the ugliest possible thing to put on a bike. I really like Shimano's "smoke gray" finish on some of their stuff. The DA 9000 crank is not the most aesthetic looking thing, wish it was mostly silver, don't like the black.
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Originally Posted by RT
...This looks tons better than any silver/grey Shimano crank, IMHO...
Agreed, the black looks great. The Shimano stuff always sticks out like a sore thumb.
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Beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder because I think a black crank is the ugliest possible thing to put on a bike. I really like Shimano's "smoke gray" finish on some of their stuff. The DA 9000 crank is not the most aesthetic looking thing, wish it was mostly silver, don't like the black.
For sure, we all like different flavors of ice cream. I just have trouble matching anything else on my bike to smoke grey. I like black accents, and a silver crank looks out of place on my stuff. I have been wanting for some time though to build a neo-vintage road bike, and chrome always looks good on those.
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I'll agree
sortta unfinished look, like spy photos you see of autos and motos which the manu is trying to 'disguise' while they are 'testing'....
clunky
function is of course, the prime directive, but elegance of design need not be ignored. like the funkie crankarm end on this.

but mostly, current BCD stanadrd are quite well thoughtout, accepted and very workable - there seems no real advantages to their out of std rings.... hence - fail
so not on my shoppig list
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It looks slow. Shocking slow.
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I think your excessive use of ellipses throughout your posts and titles is more aesthetically displeasing than that crank, but vive la difference, right?
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If Zod from the new Superman movie had a bike, those cranks would be on it. My Apex crankset is way uglier...
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The only major problem is that the finish on the crank arm is completely different that the chain ring finish. The chain ring is a sharp black, while the crank is a swirled dark grey. The two surfaces meet but blend really badly. It would look far better using a darker finish on the crank arm or a high contrast finish (white?) instead. This is the classic case of too close looks really bad. While you may disagree with Shimano's crank finish choices, at least its one common finish and looks like a complete unit. This looks like two random bits from a parts bin.
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So, am I the only one who actually likes the look of the Dura Ace crank?
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I hate FSA cranks. FSA is notorious about lying about weight, they tend to loosen and creak, and the shift like ass. Don't see the reason to go with an FSA crank as oppossed to the crank that matches your groupset.
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Originally Posted by RJM
So, am I the only one who actually likes the look of the Dura Ace crank?
I like it, too. It's modern and a bit funky, in a good way.

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I hate FSA cranks. FSA is notorious about lying about weight, they tend to loosen and creak, and the shift like ass. Don't see the reason to go with an FSA crank as oppossed to the crank that matches your groupset.
Lying about weight? OhgoodLord, Merlin. Every niche of the industry does this and you make it sound like FSA corners the market on misrepresenting weight and is the only one who does it It is not even on my list of things to consider when not liking something cycling. 4,000 miles on my Gossamer compact and no creak, no wiggle. Shifts great, no issues at all.

Groupsets are overrated for our Fredly endeavors. When you wear Levis' or whatever jeans you wear, must you also wear the same brand of shirt? Bibs/jerseys?

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^ Have you compared the front shifting on your Gossamer crank to Dura Ace? FSA rings do not begin to shift as well as sHimano, or even Praxis.
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Originally Posted by Campag4life
Techno cliché. That would be a positive spin. Different to the point of ugliness. While cookie cutter can't be embraced, either can the dark side. Styling new designs is always a risk having lived in the lack of black and white world of designers.
So what about the new FSA crank? To me its horrid. Even Ultegra looks better...lol. Sorry Shimano fans, to me the Ultegra cranks is a bit on the ugly side. I will say that Ultegra cranks have awesome performance for the dollar tho....they are great cranks. I also don't believe the new DA crank is as ugly as some believe. I believe it looks better than little sister Ultegra at least.

But then there is the new FSA crank...which looks to have a little bit of hillbilly in breeding with Ultegra:
https://velonews.competitor.com/2013/...rankset_292071

To me, this new crank has unforgivable ugliness. And there's more. Unlike Ultegra which can fit generic chain rings...kudos to Shimano for not going proprietary on Ultegra....new FSA with single spider aka DA with both compact and full size BCD compatibility...one can't use off the shelf chain rings on FSA's new crank. This of course promotes selling more chainrings for FSA...a trend we see all too common in the bike business.
At least when Campy started this crank trend ten years ago, it could be hacked with a dremmel by tweaking a std chainring by 2mm for the single eccentric mounting bolt that has 112mm BCD on their compact.
You're hand-wringing over a comparison with a 4 year old design. New Ultegra:
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Originally Posted by RJM
So, am I the only one who actually likes the look of the Dura Ace crank?
Nope!
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I was about to say that it looks no worse than the Ultegra crankset. Maybe a bit better as the chain rings do not look like stamped metal.
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^ Have you compared the front shifting on your Gossamer crank to Dura Ace? FSA rings do not begin to shift as well as sHimano, or even Praxis.
Again, you make it sound like there is an inherent issue with non-matching groups or anything less than the most expensive stuff. Good Lord, how on Earth do people ride bikes outside of this forum ;-)

I have no issue with my front shifting, FSA, Sora, or 5700, even Lasco square taper 8 speed cranks that weigh a ton. It is not a problem that begs a solution in my finely-tuned cycling realm.
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Originally Posted by nhluhr
You're hand-wringing over a comparison with a 4 year old design. New Ultegra:
Looks like a MTB crank. Not a bad thing at all.
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Again, you make it sound like there is an inherent issue with non-matching groups or anything less than the most expensive stuff. Good Lord, how on Earth do people ride bikes outside of this forum ;-)

I have no issue with my front shifting, FSA, Sora, or 5700, even Lasco square taper 8 speed cranks that weigh a ton. It is not a problem that begs a solution in my finely-tuned cycling realm.
It's not a question of matching groups. It's not a question of group level. 5700 also shifts better than FSA.

It is a question of Shimano making stiff forged rings that are expertly ramped and pinned to give front shifting that FSA can't match.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
It's not a question of matching groups. It's not a question of group level. 5700 also shifts better than FSA.

It is a question of Shimano making stiff forged rings that are expertly ramped and pinned to give front shifting that FSA can't match.
And Shimano doesn't make a BB30 crankset, for those of us with those frames. I know there's an adapter but then you've nearly completely negated the (supposed) benefits of BB30. But if you've got a BB30 frame why not get a BB30 crankset?
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
It's not a question of matching groups. It's not a question of group level. 5700 also shifts better than FSA.

It is a question of Shimano making stiff forged rings that are expertly ramped and pinned to give front shifting that FSA can't match.
Sorry, man, can't tell the diff, and I have both. Don't need to as I am not racing every day.
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Originally Posted by nhluhr
You're hand-wringing over a comparison with a 4 year old design. New Ultegra:
Yum. The finish actually makes it look NICER than the Dura-Ace version, if you ask me.
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