How does something like this happen? Twisted link
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How does something like this happen? Twisted link
Went for a ride this morning to test a new bike I built for my wife. Mix of SRAM with KMC X10SL chain. Everything except levers is new. Bike shifted fine for the most part, I was going to fine tune after the ride. Anyway, came to a stop light and when I clipped in to get going again the chain got "stuck". It happened almost immediately after I tried to get going again, I don't think I turned the crank even 1/2 revolution. I looked down an the chain was bunched up/twisted right behind the FD cage.
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Did you suck or drop your chain lately? Typically this happens from the chain getting sucked between the frame and the back of the chain-rings or it happens from it getting caught between the front derailleur and chain-rings on a bad shift. Lastly it could be from it coming off on the outside of the chain-ring too. To put it simply, it got caught somewhere and you most likely kept pedaling and the force of your legs twisted it. It's toast.
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I hate to ask the obvious, but is the cassette and chain rings also 10-speed? I did try to count the gears on the cassette.
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Did you suck or drop your chain lately? Typically this happens from the chain getting sucked between the frame and the back of the chain-rings or it happens from it getting caught between the front derailleur and chain-rings on a bad shift. Lastly it could be from it coming off on the outside of the chain-ring too. To put it simply, it got caught somewhere and you most likely kept pedaling and the force of your legs twisted it. It's toast.
Yes, SRAM Force crank/1070 cassette, SRAM Rival RD and SRAM Red Yaw FD
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Chain GREMLINS, nasty buggers they are.
Did you happen to torque on the cranks with the chain crossed, inner ring/outer cog?
Did you happen to torque on the cranks with the chain crossed, inner ring/outer cog?
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Pretty odd, I've had a lot of people come in the shop over the years who have said they heard a weird clicking sound and found a chain kinked like this. Upon further questioning I've found that they had sucked a chain weeks before and just noticed it now.
My only other guess is that pushing a big gear like 50/11 from a stop the chain skipped as it came up and onto the 11t cog and tweaked. That being said you would have heard or felt a pop or shudder. Very odd. Pushing 50/11 from a stop would produce enough force to bend a chain though, that makes sense, but only if it misaligned up with the cog and got caught.
I would just put a new chain on it, and when you do have someone check the limiters, check that everything is in good running order and ESPECIALLY that your derailleur hanger isn't tweaked.
My only other guess is that pushing a big gear like 50/11 from a stop the chain skipped as it came up and onto the 11t cog and tweaked. That being said you would have heard or felt a pop or shudder. Very odd. Pushing 50/11 from a stop would produce enough force to bend a chain though, that makes sense, but only if it misaligned up with the cog and got caught.
I would just put a new chain on it, and when you do have someone check the limiters, check that everything is in good running order and ESPECIALLY that your derailleur hanger isn't tweaked.
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Could it have happened if I turned the pedal backwards trying to get a better position to start? I am not saying I did but it's possible I did. I will definitely recheck the limits when I get a new chain. I am thinking of just going with a SRAM 1091r this time. I did have the hanger aligned when I had the frame prepped by a LBS. I have no reason to suspect it's moved since. Like I said, light trainer use only prior to today's ride and bike's never been dropped.
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I had the same exact thing happen to me.
Mine was more obvious though - in my case, my chain had come off the front cog (happens sometimes if I shift too fast, even on my Dura-Ace), and I did my normal trick of getting it back on, which was to shift up to the big gear in front and slowly pedal.
Unfortunately, I think the chain caught briefly, and during that time it must have gotten a twist while it was bunched up while I pedaled. It undid itself very quickly, but I immediately noticed a regular clunk with each pass of the chain. When I stopped, I had the same deal you did, twisted link.
My chain was easy to fix when I got home (called a ride for a pickup that day) - used a chain tool to remove the damaged link and replaced it with a KMC missing link. I now have 2 missing links on my chain, but it rides fine.
Mine was more obvious though - in my case, my chain had come off the front cog (happens sometimes if I shift too fast, even on my Dura-Ace), and I did my normal trick of getting it back on, which was to shift up to the big gear in front and slowly pedal.
Unfortunately, I think the chain caught briefly, and during that time it must have gotten a twist while it was bunched up while I pedaled. It undid itself very quickly, but I immediately noticed a regular clunk with each pass of the chain. When I stopped, I had the same deal you did, twisted link.
My chain was easy to fix when I got home (called a ride for a pickup that day) - used a chain tool to remove the damaged link and replaced it with a KMC missing link. I now have 2 missing links on my chain, but it rides fine.
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Could it have happened if I turned the pedal backwards trying to get a better position to start? I am not saying I did but it's possible I did. I will definitely recheck the limits when I get a new chain. I am thinking of just going with a SRAM 1091r this time. I did have the hanger aligned when I had the frame prepped by a LBS. I have no reason to suspect it's moved since. Like I said, light trainer use only prior to today's ride and bike's never been dropped.
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Calling for a ride is admitting failure.
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Really? There are at least 3 ways to ride home in that event: 1) carry a chain tool; 2) "rachet pedal" i.e. pedal short of the point where the twisted link comes to a cog, backpedal, repeat; 3) "hobby horse" i.e., push off with your foot,coast, repeat.
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my guess...
you were stopped
you, somehow, hit the rear shift lever so that the RD pulleys moved the chain under a larger cog - prolly 2 or more positions over.
chain is still engaged on the small cog as you get out of the saddle and push down.
however chain now also engages the larger cog from underneath, while still remaining engaged on the small one
these chain plates, by their design are less twist resistant than solid plates.
chain is now twisted and as it progresses forward, the first twisted link rides onto the top of the ring tooth it meets and bucks upwards causing the chain to catch/bunch on the FD roof...
there is a chance that a similar scenario could potentially happen if you had hit the front shifter and the FD had moved the chain over so that the chain became engaged on both the outer and inner rings at the same time, again causing the chain to twist. Given the twist, the inner ring because of pressure of the twisted plate onto the tooth, might not have allowed the chain to release under pressure - hence causing the chain to bunch up...
in either case, I would expect that there's a real possibility that the FD cage alignment might be mucked up... I'd check for that, for sure.
don't think there would be any issues with the rear jockey assembly...
you were stopped
you, somehow, hit the rear shift lever so that the RD pulleys moved the chain under a larger cog - prolly 2 or more positions over.
chain is still engaged on the small cog as you get out of the saddle and push down.
however chain now also engages the larger cog from underneath, while still remaining engaged on the small one
these chain plates, by their design are less twist resistant than solid plates.
chain is now twisted and as it progresses forward, the first twisted link rides onto the top of the ring tooth it meets and bucks upwards causing the chain to catch/bunch on the FD roof...
there is a chance that a similar scenario could potentially happen if you had hit the front shifter and the FD had moved the chain over so that the chain became engaged on both the outer and inner rings at the same time, again causing the chain to twist. Given the twist, the inner ring because of pressure of the twisted plate onto the tooth, might not have allowed the chain to release under pressure - hence causing the chain to bunch up...
in either case, I would expect that there's a real possibility that the FD cage alignment might be mucked up... I'd check for that, for sure.
don't think there would be any issues with the rear jockey assembly...
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The chain tool option at least would get you home quicker than waiting for a ride. Next two options would depend on how far you were from home and how fast the ride would get there.
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That part I agree with. I don't ride anywhere without a chain tool and spare quick link in my flat kit.
But if I have a mechanical that is going to both add a chunk of time and negate getting any kind of quality ride in I fail to see the point of wasting the time & effort and I know my wife and kids would rather I made the call and regrouped for whatever else is going on.
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Really? There are at least 3 ways to ride home in that event: 1) carry a chain tool; 2) "rachet pedal" i.e. pedal short of the point where the twisted link comes to a cog, backpedal, repeat; 3) "hobby horse" i.e., push off with your foot,coast, repeat.
Calling for a ride is admitting failure.
Calling for a ride is admitting failure.
- I don't carry a chain tool anymore. Sure, I could have probably fixed it with a chain tool, but this is like a once in a lifetime event. Not worth jiggering with a portable chain tool, imo. If I were doing a multiday event, I'd definitely carry such hardware, but not on a weekend training ride where I know I can get a ride. My last experience with a portable chain tool was so horrible that I'm sure it would have ended badly and frustratingly so even if I did have a portable chain tool on hand. I'm ok messing with chains at home, but not on the road.
- You want to rachet pedal or hobby horse for 22 miles home with 1200ft of climbing en route?