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Old 08-19-13, 12:08 AM
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yeah, it helps to know what you want the wheels for. if you do a lot of climbing, you might what something really light. if you're in a flat area and do time trials, you may want aero rims. and since you're 145 pounds, you may not be too concerned with wheel strength. but aero rims may not be as comfortable on rough roads.
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Old 08-19-13, 12:53 AM
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With that budget id get a powertap
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Old 08-19-13, 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick View Post
Teach yourself about wheels! There's so much good info to hunt through on here as well as the rest of the internet, one does not simply get handed this knowledge on a silver platter with an espresso and some biscuits.

this is a forum. it's a valid area for discussion.
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Old 08-19-13, 05:49 AM
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They are round.......thought that early man invented same to make work easier.......can be used for various things.....just kidding! You know I would not set a $$$ amount more than find a wheel that fits your ride style because I really don't think you will end up spending that much money unless you just want to stimulate someone's bank account.

I just bought Spinergy Stealth PBO..............yes, not conventional by any means; not the stiffest for my climbing; but they are light and lessened the weight of the bike and are more aero than my last wheels and have increased my speed average and stil climb just ducky for me.

I got these for $435 delivered < don't ask because you will never get another set for that unless they are hot being sold by a guy in a van down by the river at the sewer plant!
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Old 08-19-13, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick View Post
Teach yourself about wheels! There's so much good info to hunt through on here as well as the rest of the internet, one does not simply get handed this knowledge on a silver platter with an espresso and some biscuits.
I think this is a good place to discuss..................also OP try buying a few books on bikes overall. I have Park Tools book 2nd edition <there is a 3rd now on bikes that is a great book overall and Lennard Zinn's book on road bikes is great too. Never hurts to have a few books with illustrations on hand for people like me that have "Timmy" moments and need a picture to make things obvious!
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Stans ztr Alpha 340's or 400's ( tubeles even ) ... with cx-ray spokes... DT 240 hubs ... pick your spoke count 18, 20, 24, based on your weight.

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Old 08-19-13, 07:41 AM
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Boyd Vitese with a PowerTap?
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Old 08-25-13, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by onehandman View Post
First things first I want a high quality aluminum wheel set clincher.....
What exactly does the word 'quality' mean to you? Light? Strong? Aerodynamic? Durable? Serviceable? What'sthe intended use? Touring wheels, polo wheels and TT wheels all have different priorities and the cyclists using them have different ideas of what nahes a 'quality' wheel depending on the intended usage.

$1,500 is a bit over the top for anyone except cyclists doing serious competition or rich boys trying to show off at the local riding club.
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Old 09-07-13, 11:26 AM
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Sorry for the long delayed in a response, but sometimes life gets in the way to get on forums. No I have not thought about the Power tap route, Powertap measures your wattage correct? I do race once in a while, would like to get into racing more. I personally would like a good light climbing wheel, that can be serviced by different shops. I weigh 146 pounds. I know spoke count plays a huge role, What is a good spoke count? for a guy weighing 145-150LBS. I was thinking the DT240 route or DT 190 route, but maybe Powertap?
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Old 09-07-13, 12:32 PM
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If you race some you may end up with multiple wheel sets. I would save some of that $1500 for a crank based power meter and spend about $400-700 on the wheels you are talking about getting now.

You can argue components all day long, but my personal recommendation would be White Industry hubs laced 2x everywhere 20f/28r to Pacenti SL23 rims using CX-Ray spokes in the front and NDS and Race spokes DS with brass nipples all around.

For a similar package look at the Boyd Vitesse or November FSW 23.
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Old 09-07-13, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick View Post
Teach yourself about wheels! There's so much good info to hunt through on here as well as the rest of the internet, one does not simply get handed this knowledge on a silver platter with an espresso and some biscuits.
Though, one has to be careful on what information they educate themselves with. I blame a lot of my misinformed knowledge on the internet/forums.

If you/anyone wants to be informed and learn about wheels, Find a a local wheel builder and ask them if you can make an appointment with them. Set aside a half hour to an hour to tell him your goals/type of riding, reasons for wanting the wheel you do and budget. Have that wheel builder give you 2 or 3 options that he would recommend. Do some research on those options he recommends. If someone tell you to just open up a web browser and start doing research, you wont know where to begin unless you already have a fairly good foundation of wheel building. Getting some recommendations from someone who may possibly build your wheels gets you in the right direction. Hopefully that wheel builder would have some test wheels around for you to see/feel the difference between this wheel and that wheel instead of just reading about it.

I went through the same process and learned so much. If you would like to read through my experience, click below. I have hyperlinks to take you to each wheel experience so you dont have to read through all the pages.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ing+new+wheels
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Old 09-07-13, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bianchi10 View Post
Though, one has to be careful on what information they educate themselves with. I blame a lot of my misinformed knowledge on the internet/forums.

If you/anyone wants to be informed and learn about wheels, Find a a local wheel builder and ask them if you can make an appointment with them. Set aside a half hour to an hour to tell him your goals/type of riding, reasons for wanting the wheel you do and budget. Have that wheel builder give you 2 or 3 options that he would recommend. Do some research on those options he recommends. If someone tell you to just open up a web browser and start doing research, you wont know where to begin unless you already have a fairly good foundation of wheel building. Getting some recommendations from someone who may possibly build your wheels gets you in the right direction. Hopefully that wheel builder would have some test wheels around for you to see/feel the difference between this wheel and that wheel instead of just reading about it.

I went through the same process and learned so much. If you would like to read through my experience, click below. I have hyperlinks to take you to each wheel experience so you dont have to read through all the pages.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ing+new+wheels
Love the irony in this statement.
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Old 09-07-13, 02:56 PM
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November FSW23 with Powertap G3 comes to $1,234. I'd be hard-pressed to find a more ideal training wheelset if you want power data. If not, save a ton going with alloy, or get Rails, or get HED Jet 5 Express for $850 with a coupon, which is a crazy deal.
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Old 09-07-13, 04:44 PM
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If you're looking at AL wheels? I would look at Zipp 101. I've run high end Mavics, Easton & Fulcrum with ceramic hubs & the Zipp 101 out performs all I've tried, (I've tried) just my opinion. The Zipp 60 is a Carbon wheel with AL brake surface & is an old SRAM wheel. So are the 30's. not a true Zipp yet.
Good luck with your search.
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Old 09-07-13, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bianchi10 View Post
Why am I not surprised by this post. I've never understood you.
Well let me help you out because I understand you. Your post says a lot about you. You blaming the internet for misguidance is laughable. The irony to understanding talent is it takes talent to see it in others. If you don't have this critical thinking capability, you can't differentiate fact from fiction. There is a lot of great information dispensed on the internet. You have to be smart enough to discern correlations in what people say to draw good conclusions.

Take your premise of going to wheel builders for advice. Each wheel builder has their particular bias....both technically and commercially. They build wheels to make money and therefore they are incentivized to up sell prospective buyers. Plus they purchase their components for a given set of suppliers and therefore they try to sell what they carry. Further they understand the nuances of building with different spoke types and associated labor involved. If you go to 10 different wheel builders with the same scenario, you will get 10 different recommendations in wheel type, hub recommendations and spoke count and type.

So look no further than yourself to blame. But don't be too hard on yourself because you likely can't help who you are. The internet is a wonderful resource for all different kinds of information. Yes there is misinformation on the net. But it is the user's responsibility to sort out what makes sense and what doesn't...which also includes sharing the same scenario with 10 different wheel builders.
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Old 09-07-13, 05:21 PM
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ok, first let me apologize. I shouldn't have said what i did. That was simply antagonizing and I knew you would respond to my post in a fashion that would add to fuel to the fire. I deleted my comment earlier because I knew if would cause unnecessary drama, but obviously not soon enough. I'm sorry for my post.

Second, Yes my post does explain a lot about me. I'm not always able to differentiate what is good information and bad information when reading. I would like to believe that I'm not the only one. If i dont know anything about a subject, it is easy for me to absorb everything I come across and store that info in my brain, but yet not be able to filter through what fits my needs and what doesn't. Some people learn differently than others. I'm not one that can read about something and walk away knowing much more than I started with. I have horrible reading comprehension and I'm fully aware of this as it has always been an issue growing up. I learn best when talking to someone with more knowledge than myself. If I went to talk to a wheel builder about wheels for a possible future build than yes, there is a factor of bias factor, but at least in my eyes it is still more knowledge than I have and deal better with filtering through a conversation rather than reading.

Yes, I can blame myself for reading through the internet and forums for information. What I should have said earlier is that the internet is filled with A LOT of information and unless you have the ability to filter through what fits your needs and what doesn't, it can be easy to lead yourself down a road that doesn't line up with what you are looking for. This happens to me often and find myself getting more confused than informed.

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Originally Posted by bianchi10 View Post
ok, first let me apologize. I shouldn't have said what i did. That was simply antagonizing and I knew you would respond to my post in a fashion that would add to fuel to the fire. I deleted my comment earlier because I knew if would cause unnecessary drama, but obviously not soon enough. I'm sorry for my post.

Second, Yes my post does explain a lot about me. I'm not always able to differentiate what is good information and bad information when reading. I would like to believe that I'm not the only one. If i dont know anything about a subject, it is easy for me to absorb everything I come across and store that info in my brain, but yet not be able to filter through what fits my needs and what doesn't. Some people learn differently than others. I'm not one that can read about something and walk away knowing much more than I started with. I have horrible reading comprehension and I'm fully aware of this as it has always been an issue growing up. I learn best when talking to someone with more knowledge than myself. If I went to talk to a wheel builder about wheels for a possible future build than yes, there is a factor of bias factor, but at least in my eyes it is still more knowledge than I have and deal better with filtering through a conversation rather than reading.

Yes, I can blame myself for reading through the internet and forums for information. What I should have said earlier is that the internet is filled with A LOT of information and unless you have the ability to filter through what fits your needs and what doesn't, it can be easy to lead yourself down a road that doesn't line up with what you are looking for. This happens to me often and find myself getting more confused than informed.

Thanks for that and please accept my apology as well for the tone of my post. Was very decent of you to further explain your thoughts and says a lot more about you than any conflicting information about wheels which in the grand scheme doesn't mean much. Yes we all learn differently and each of us has different talents to be sure.
Best Regards Bianchi and ride safe.
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Mavic Ksyrium SL have been a great set for me

I got a smokin deal on them and paid much less than msrp
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