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Spoke count suggestion taking price into account

Old 09-01-13, 04:44 PM
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Spoke count suggestion taking price into account

I am 5'11, 210lbs. I am looking at a wheel set for a bike I'm building. My price range is about $300. Weight isn't a huge issue since I am a heavier rider. I have been looking at Reynolds Shadows, but I'm not sure if a 20/24 spoke count would be sturdy enough. I like the idea of a lower spoke count, but will it really improve my ride very much? I know that the rider makes the biggest difference so would I be better off looking at something with a higher spoke count like 32's or 36's? Any brand suggestions would be appreciated.
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In your price range slae priced Vueltas from Nashbar are a good bet. They have a sturdy model and a very sturdy model. Just go by weight to see which is which. Don't worry too much about spoke number. Often fewer spoke wheels use a heavier spoke to make us for the lower count.
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Originally Posted by kcox19 View Post
I am 5'11, 210lbs. I am looking at a wheel set for a bike I'm building. My price range is about $300. Weight isn't a huge issue since I am a heavier rider. I have been looking at Reynolds Shadows, but I'm not sure if a 20/24 spoke count would be sturdy enough. I like the idea of a lower spoke count, but will it really improve my ride very much? I know that the rider makes the biggest difference so would I be better off looking at something with a higher spoke count like 32's or 36's? Any brand suggestions would be appreciated.
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I weigh anywhere from 195-210 and have several bikes to suit the conditons that I find. My economy wheelset is a 32h Mavic Open Sport laced to 105 hubs with straight guage spokes. My local shop built these up for me before I began building my own. Shimano hubs at the Tiagara level and up will serve most riders well and 32 spokes (36 even) make for a reliable wheel. The link shows a set that would be hard to beat. https://www.bicyclewheels.com/merchan...egory_Code=RWN
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32 spoke Ultegra/Mavic OP is a nice set that won't break the bank, and should last a long time.
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No your ride will not improve due to fewer spokes. the rim itself will make much more of a difference in feel, as will your tire choice.

I bought some used campy zondas off ebay for $225. they are perfect.

$300 you say? you may have to get a different free hub body if you're using a shimano cassette but...

NEW $225
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Thanks for the suggestions!
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Every prebuilt wheel I've ever bought has required finishing work save one set of handbuilts from Excel sports many years ago. The most important part of the wheel is who builds it (or at least finishes it). All other considerations are secondary.

And Open Pros are, to put it as nicely as possible, overrated.
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And Open Pros are, to put it as nicely as possible, overrated.
what do you recommend?
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Easton EA90SL's should be perfect:
https://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/st...ssociationsCmd

Use the code on their homepage for 20% off
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Fulcrum Racing 7s are solid, too.
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Originally Posted by kcox19 View Post
I am 5'11, 210lbs. I am looking at a wheel set for a bike I'm building. My price range is about $300. Weight isn't a huge issue since I am a heavier rider. I have been looking at Reynolds Shadows, but I'm not sure if a 20/24 spoke count would be sturdy enough. I like the idea of a lower spoke count, but will it really improve my ride very much? I know that the rider makes the biggest difference so would I be better off looking at something with a higher spoke count like 32's or 36's? Any brand suggestions would be appreciated.
If you're new to riding then lower spoke counts probably won't make a whole lot of difference. The weight saving is negligible and unless you're going pretty fast any aerodynamic gain is going to be trivial.

I weigh about 240 and am quite happy riding with 32-spoke wheels. I built a new wheel after I broke the old one on a pothole at speed (didn't see it until it was too late to avoid it).

Low spoke count wheels do look cool (at least I think the look cool) but I think it looks much less cool when you're trying to fettle something to work again when you break a spoke and have to either straighten the wheel (by loosening other spokes, thereby weakening the wheel further) or adjusting the brakes to the point they barely do anything at all just so they don't rub as the wheel wobbles.
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And Open Pros are, to put it as nicely as possible, overrated.
And have a bit of a reputation for cracking around the spoke hole.
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Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
what do you recommend?
Right now, I like the quality I've gotten with Kinlin rims and really like the quality of the set of H Plus Son Archetypes I've built. 210 lbs is heavy, but not huge. For this poster either a 24/28 spoke or 28/32 spoke build on a 27mm rim and, perhaps, Novatec hubs with butted spokes would make a durable wheelset at a reasonable weight at an affordable price.
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And have a bit of a reputation for cracking around the spoke hole.
I've built dozens of wheelsets using OPs, and have never had one come back because of cracks at the spoke hole.

FWIW, I have seen this happen to Kinlin rims before. This doesn't mean Kinlins aren't quality hoops.
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If you're new to riding then lower spoke counts probably won't make a whole lot of difference. The weight saving is negligible and unless you're going pretty fast any aerodynamic gain is going to be trivial.

I weigh about 240 and am quite happy riding with 32-spoke wheels. I built a new wheel after I broke the old one on a pothole at speed (didn't see it until it was too late to avoid it).

Low spoke count wheels do look cool (at least I think the look cool) but I think it looks much less cool when you're trying to fettle something to work again when you break a spoke and have to either straighten the wheel (by loosening other spokes, thereby weakening the wheel further) or adjusting the brakes to the point they barely do anything at all just so they don't rub as the wheel wobbles.
This is much less of a problem with modern "aero" profile wheels than it was with box section rims. The last time I trusted a prebuilt wheel, two spokes completely backed out of their nipples on my first ride and I didn't find out until I was loading the bike in my car at the end of the ride and heard the nipples rattling around and saw one of the spokes flop free.
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Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
I've built dozens of wheelsets using OPs, and have never had one come back because of cracks at the spoke hole.

FWIW, I have seen this happen to Kinlin rims before. This doesn't mean Kinlins aren't quality hoops.
When's the last time you built an OP wheel? How many of those "dozens" were built more than a few years ago? There are a lot of posts here on BF and on other forums such as Weight Weenies complaining about OP quality dropping in the past 4-5 years or so.

If you don't care about weight, don't want one of the newer wider rims, and want a solid wheel that'll last, DT Swiss rims are hard to beat. The RR585 is bombproof. RR585s laced to Shimano 105 hubs would last practically forever.
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When's the last time you built an OP wheel? How many of those "dozens" were built more than a few years ago? There are a lot of posts here on BF and on other forums such as Weight Weenies complaining about OP quality dropping in the past 4-5 years or so.

If you don't care about weight, don't want one of the newer wider rims, and want a solid wheel that'll last, DT Swiss rims are hard to beat. The RR585 is bombproof. RR585s laced to Shimano 105 hubs would last practically forever.
The thing you have to remember about the amount of complaints that you hear about on these forms, is the thousands of OPs sold every year. OPs have a reputation for being durable hoops, so when one fails, people piss and moan about it to everyone that will listen.
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I have had a 32h OP rim crack at the valve hole, but only after plowing into a substantial pothole. Pinch flatted, of course, and out of true but still sturdy enough to get me home after replacing the tube. Had the wheel rebuilt with another OP rim and was rolling again.
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Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
The thing you have to remember about the amount of complaints that you hear about on these forms, is the thousands of OPs sold every year. OPs have a reputation for being durable hoops, so when one fails, people piss and moan about it to everyone that will listen.
That all is true but it's pretty much the consensus of places that sell high volumes of wheels that OPs aren't the same as they used to be - big drop in quality over last 5-7 years
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Hi,

More spokes on the back than the front makes sense to
me. 36/28 is better than 32/32, 32/24 better than 28/28.
Thicker spokes on the drive side of the rear is better too.

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Higher spoke count helps on realiabilty of the keeping the wheel true and even tensioned. Not sure it will make it feel any different. I prefer to ride with higher spoke count wheels simply to reduce the need for trueing and risk of spoke breaks.
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Low spoke wheels were designed and engineered to make LBS money. They can't be trued with any precision. But they can often be replaced with "upgrades."

I favor the Velocity Deep V over the Mavic Open pro because they have more metal where it counts. Open pro's have thinner sidewalls, thinner rim edges and just less...More is more. Get a durable rim. To heck with weight.
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These have a pretty good reputation.

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