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Vredestein tri comps Vs Continetal GP4000

Old 09-08-13, 02:36 PM
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Vredestein tri comps Vs Continetal GP4000

I ride Verdestein tri comps and love them but I know the 41 like the Conti GP4000. Has anyone done a direct comparison or used both of these tires and have some feedback on which they like better. This not you typical tire thread I am looking for these two for comparison.
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Originally Posted by deacon mark
I ride Verdestein tri comps and love them but I know the 41 like the Conti GP4000. Has anyone done a direct comparison or used both of these tires and have some feedback on which they like better. This not you typical tire thread I am looking for these two for comparison.
I have used both and preferred the Vredestein Fortezza. In my experience...cheaper, just as smooth rolling, better flat resistance. YMMV.

Disclaimer, I don't ride either of those any more. I've become a Veloflex Corsa guy.
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If you mean the GP4000s (the "s" is important) I have ridden both but it has been a few years since I rode the Fortezzas. Both are nice tires. I think the GP4000s may be a little more durable and a little wider for the nominal size.
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I've run Fortezza's for years. Not sure if they are made the same way anymore--> what is. But they have always worn well.
I know there are some on here that call the GP 4000's GP 400's because of their disappointing wear. I've never ridden on them however.
Make sure you are stating where and what kind of riding you do. Someone who has the benefit of southeastern or southwestern roads don't have the same issues as I do living in the upper midwest where you might as well be off-roading with all the potholes, etc.
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It's been many, many years since I rode Conti tires... Got way too many flats on them, switched over to Vredestein Fortezza's. Now I hardly ever get flats. Whatever their grip limitations are, it's past my willingness to find it. I usually get about 2,500 miles out of a rear tire.

I'm 6'2", 170, Massachusetts-based, so lots of frost-heaved cracked pavement to ride on.
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I have also used both. I like both. I never had 1 flat with the tricomps for about 2000 miles until they wore out. Currently been won over by the GP4000s tire and liking it as well. Have yet to flat on them also.

I would say you can't lose either way. Maybe go with which tire you think looks best/get a better deal on.
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I use the gp4000s on my fall/rain bike. The stiff sidewalls require a little less than usual inflation pressures for a comfortable ride
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I know they're not on the list...but also consider the Michelin Pro4 Service Course...

i rode both the 4000s and the Pro4 SC this year...MUCH prefer the Pro4. They're much more comfortable at higher pressure over the 4000s. They ride better at 110psi than the 4000s does at 90...

To add to that, I had read the 4000s had a "glass jaw" sidewall but decided based on other glowing reviews that I'd try them. Sure enough, less than 250 miles on a brand new set and a fatal sidewall cut on the front tire. Ordered another but then got the Pro4s on sale for a great price. Tried out the Pro4 and haven't switched back since...

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I got some GP4000S tires on recommendation from the whole of 41. Don't know what's up but I've had the worst luck with these. I've had more flats in 750 miles on these than I have during my life up until I put these tires on. Riding the same roads, I'd get very infrequent flats on my previous tires. After putting the GP4000Ss on, I've had 1 flat every other ride. Almost always it's a staple or wire that goes through the tire. I have no idea why - does this tire just suck metal bits of the road? In any case, very disappointing, and I've almost lost confidence in these tires.
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I switched to conti 4000s like a month ago from specialized armadillos. Do not recommend armadillos btw. -- very harsh ride.

Started getting 1 flat a week since the change to conti. My other bike had fortrezza se and I get no flats on the same roads. I am switching to tricomp for my main bike this week once my new wheels show up
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I used to be a big Vred fan years ago and switched to Michelin and Conti when Vred started having so many quality problems. I'm surprised the company is still in business because they went from being pretty much the number 1 performance tire to something that's rarely seen or heard from. But I did try a tricomp again recently when a friend gave me his to replace a flat. It's okay but certainly doesn't have the stickiness of the Conti GP4000S or Michelin Pro4 to corner fast and hard. It also is a little rougher ride.
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Originally Posted by ivan_yulaev
After putting the GP4000Ss on, I've had 1 flat every other ride. Almost always it's a staple or wire that goes through the tire. I have no idea why - does this tire just suck metal bits of the road?
If you have flats that often, something is wrong. It may be you have debris embedded in the tire that you're not getting out. You might also check the rim or tape.
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Originally Posted by StanSeven
If you have flats that often, something is wrong. It may be you have debris embedded in the tire that you're not getting out. You might also check the rim or tape.
I was thinking that but every time it's something new. The cause is almost always obvious (like I said, staples or other metal bits through the tread) and it's always new - I do make sure to pull it out you know. I know these tires have a reputation for being fairly durable so I'm at a loss as to why they're getting destroyed where my old, lower-end tires held up fine.
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Originally Posted by Smokehouse
I know they're not on the list...but also consider the Michelin Pro4 Service Course...

i rode both the 4000s and the Pro4 SC this year...MUCH prefer the Pro4. They're much more comfortable at higher pressure over the 4000s. They ride better at 110psi than the 4000s does at 90...

To add to that, I had read the 4000s had a "glass jaw" sidewall but decided based on other glowing reviews that I'd try them. Sure enough, less than 250 miles on a brand new set and a fatal sidewall cut on the front tire. Ordered another but then got the Pro4s on sale for a great price. Tried out the Pro4 and haven't switched back since...
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I like the Vreds over the Grand Prix got more miles out of the vreds both excellent tires and the durability is the only factor that makes me go with vreds. Little in flats for both tires but I consider that road conditions.

I am riding the Pro 4 SC right now and love them.

I usually look for deals on good tires and stock up on two pairs at a time. I have bought the tri comps more than any other tire
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Originally Posted by ivan_yulaev
I got some GP4000S tires on recommendation from the whole of 41. Don't know what's up but I've had the worst luck with these. I've had more flats in 750 miles on these than I have during my life up until I put these tires on. Riding the same roads, I'd get very infrequent flats on my previous tires. After putting the GP4000Ss on, I've had 1 flat every other ride. Almost always it's a staple or wire that goes through the tire. I have no idea why - does this tire just suck metal bits of the road? In any case, very disappointing, and I've almost lost confidence in these tires.
LOL...I put the 4000s on one of my bikes not too long ago. Now I have not had a flat while on a ride in over three years. Vredestein, Michelin, no problem.

Last three rides, three flats on the Contis. One was a blowout, the "sounded like a gunshot" type. I was riding with some friends, sort of new to the sport and I thought one of them was going to have a heart attack.

Got home, changed the tube. Went on a thirtyish mile ride, was two miles from home, flat city.

I have a Vredestein on that wheel now.

We sell a lot of Contis in the shop, I'll get another and try again.
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Originally Posted by StanSeven
If you have flats that often, something is wrong. It may be you have debris embedded in the tire that you're not getting out. You might also check the rim or tape.
I understand, but I am a pretty expereinced rider and check my tires and wheel before each ride for debirs or cuts. No luck.

I like the ride. I don't like replacing a tube mid-ride.
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bought some Vredestein fortezza SE's from Perf bike, almost 2 yrs ago. I believe they are the 120 TPI casing. but with single compound rubber, 240g ish.
OK, perceived tire performance is tied to the wheels you put them on. I bought these to be my wk-day tire on a set of Ritchey OCR Pros (20-24) which is on my Marin Treviso (steel). I ride that bike min 3 days a week, and for 2013, all my wkday rides...
They ride pretty nice - if they were on my Tarmac Expert with Ultegra wheels (my wkend machine), I might like them as much as the GP4000s on there right now. I run them 90frt/100rr, same as the GP4000s, and they are just a wee bit 'harder' than the GPS, and that may be due to the tubes. The GP4000s give me just that very slight edge in comfort and confidence - which is all subjective perception.
I've had about the same number of flats on them as any other tire. Santa Barbara County Roads, are cummulatively, some of the worst roads in the entire country.
The Fortezzas handle pretty well, and have seen some wet winter rides with no real traction issues.
I'm not hvyweight, started the season at 169-170 and currently at 160-161 lbs.

But what blows me away is that I'm still running the same set of tires I put on well over a year ago. My guess is they have 5K miles, prolly much more. And the rear is a bit square but showing absolutely NO wear to the cords. I check every other day or so, nothing worn through. After 5k+ miles, they're not very pretty anymore, but the overall ride performance hasn;t deteriorated.
Very much have been a 'best buy' for me... I'm gettin antsy to replace that rear, but it refuses to give up the ghost.
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I've had one flat on GP4Ks. That plus the aero advantage makes them an easy choice for me.
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Originally Posted by gc3
I have used both and preferred the Vredestein Fortezza. In my experience...cheaper, just as smooth rolling, better flat resistance. YMMV.

Disclaimer, I don't ride either of those any more. I've become a Veloflex Corsa guy.
I can't say that I get the Vred's any cheaper, but I used the Conti's exclusively until trying the Vred's and have never gone back. I have gotten better durability as well.
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Originally Posted by ivan_yulaev
I got some GP4000S tires on recommendation from the whole of 41. Don't know what's up but I've had the worst luck with these. I've had more flats in 750 miles on these than I have during my life up until I put these tires on. Riding the same roads, I'd get very infrequent flats on my previous tires. After putting the GP4000Ss on, I've had 1 flat every other ride. Almost always it's a staple or wire that goes through the tire. I have no idea why - does this tire just suck metal bits of the road? In any case, very disappointing, and I've almost lost confidence in these tires.
That's just bad luck. Wires and staples will go through almost anything including armadillos, hardcases, gatorskins, etc.

Are you riding busy highways? Lots of metal debris is a big deal and there may be more on your routes for some weird reason. On my old commute, there were only a couple months of the year where I could think of riding the 4000s. My new commute is so clean that I went one week shy of going a full year with no flats on the 4000s -- crushing my previous record on much more substantial tires by many months. Despite riding them on 2 of my bikes, I don't think they're particularly flat resistant. In fact, I don't think they're the best at anything. However, I also think they're well balanced and have no outstanding weaknesses which is why I like them.
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Originally Posted by banerjek
Are you riding busy highways? Lots of metal debris is a big deal and there may be more on your routes for some weird reason.
Like I said, my routes haven't really changed much. A bit is along some busy industrial roads, most isn't. My previous tires have all held up fine, but the 4000 on my rear wheel is suicidal or something.
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so when I got home from work, I looked at the rear Vredie Fortezza SE, since I hadn't inspected it since last Wed, and did ride it Thurs & Fri.
Sure enough, the tire belt was just starting to push up thru the remaining tread - WOO HOO! time for a new tahr!.
So I had one more remaining I could mount. But first I weighed it - weighed at 229g.
Put it on, and went for a ride - nice! Nothing like new tahrs to spiff up a ride. Anyway these have been pretty great riding tires and at 5000 mi+ for the rear - incredibly durable - with the feel and snap of a nice race tahr.
But my Fortezza SE (older blue sidewall) doesn;t seem to be the same as the currrent Fortezza SE. Mine weighed 229g and the listing for the current Fortezza SE says they are 260g - so they're not the same. Clueless as to the difference, but might be worth an email query to Vredestein for clarification.
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Which version of the tri comp are you talking about? I'm seeing 4 different Vredestein models called "Tricomp".
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Originally Posted by ivan_yulaev
Like I said, my routes haven't really changed much. A bit is along some busy industrial roads, most isn't. My previous tires have all held up fine, but the 4000 on my rear wheel is suicidal or something.
It's also possible that there was a major tire failure recently -- those can scatter all kinds of metal bits around that you won't see and won't get cleaned up for awhile.

What were your previous tires? If you used ones that were particularly flat resistant, the 4000s will be more prone to punctures. But if you were using a training tire, I'm sticking with my bad luck theory.
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I'm leaning toward the new 4000s, my Vredetein tri comps are great but it's time for a change.


https://www.conti-online.com/www/bicy...ix4000SII.html

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