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One last wheel thread: AC 350's or Rolf Elan's?

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Old 03-04-05, 10:02 AM
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One last wheel thread: AC 350's or Rolf Elan's?

I've narrowed the climbing/crit wheelset pool to two: AC Sprint 350's and Rolf Prima Elan's (prolly not the aeros). Seems like AC might have taken care of any hub bearing problems, but I'm still not sure about stiffness under my 185 pounds. The Rolfs seem to be universally loved, but they're obviously more expensive. I'm getting the deal of the century on either set, though, so it's a fair competition between the two. Anyone wanna throw their $.02 in the ring?
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I'm an Elan Aero man myself. Have them, love them. I have had some pretty heavy duty bumps, inlcuding a rough patck so bad, I almost lost it on a descent. They are still true. I like them alot.
Yeah, the hub thing on the AC350's is still a bad rep floating around, but I think somewhat undeserved, as apparently they've been fixed for over a year now. Either one, really is good. But, if durability is your concern, I think the Elans have the edge, if not for names sake more than anything.
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AC, at least the 420's, has new hubs now (again).
Take a look here. The durability's might better now
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I'm pretty sure that the hubs are better now and that the reputation, much like Cannondale's crack'n'fail reputation, is dated and irrelevant. My concern with the AC's is more lateral stiffness and durability over the longer haul than it is hub durability.
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Okay. if this were a choice between a set of Elan's for $700 (guestimate of the deal you can get) vs. a set of 350's for $450 (standard build), and these are to be your primary wheelset, I'd say go with the Elans. They are a better all purpose wheel with increased durability over the 350's.

If you are looking for a once-in-awhile climbing specific wheelset, save the extra $ and go with the 350's - but get the Sapim CX-Ray spoke option.

The appearance of the Rolf's is worth an extra $100 or more.

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Okay. if this were a choice between a set of Elan's for $700 (guestimate of the deal you can get) vs. a set of 350's for $450 (standard build), and these are to be your primary wheelset, I'd say go with the Elans. They are a better all purpose wheel with increased durability over the 350's.

If you are looking for a once-in-awhile climbing specific wheelset, save the extra $ and go with the 350's - but get the Sapim CX-Ray spoke option.

The appearance of the Rolf's is worth an extra $100 or more.

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Agree with that ... but when I spoke to AC regarding the wheels (I ended up getting the 420s from Clive as you know), the AC guy said the 350s w/ the Sapim option would bring their recommended rider weight down to 180 at a minimum - maybe even slightly less. In this debate, I still think the 420s are worth looking at - they clock in at about 1450g, are good for racing and still light for some climbing.
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Okay. if this were a choice between a set of Elan's for $700 (guestimate of the deal you can get) vs. a set of 350's for $450 (standard build), and these are to be your primary wheelset, I'd say go with the Elans. They are a better all purpose wheel with increased durability over the 350's.

If you are looking for a once-in-awhile climbing specific wheelset, save the extra $ and go with the 350's - but get the Sapim CX-Ray spoke option.

The appearance of the Rolf's is worth an extra $100 or more.

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Thanks for your continued input.

THese won't be my primary wheels. And, as MacMan pointed out, the weight max drops with CX-rays, making them less desirable to me. I suppose that the possible problem I'm basing my hesitation on deals with stiffness in the wheels. I don't want to be on a climb and have the front or rear of the bike swaying around under me a lot. I know that any light as air wheelset is probably going to flex a bit more under me than my regular wheels, but there's a limit to what I'm comfortable with, especially if and when I race them in a crit and need to get on it a bit. If I were just looking at climbing, I'd lean more towards the AC's. But I'm just afraid they'll be noodly in a sprint.

Like I said in another thread about wheels, if this is the hardest decision I make this week, I must be livin' right.
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Agree with that ... but when I spoke to AC regarding the wheels (I ended up getting the 420s from Clive as you know), the AC guy said the 350s w/ the Sapim option would bring their recommended rider weight down to 180 at a minimum - maybe even slightly less. In this debate, I still think the 420s are worth looking at - they clock in at about 1450g, are good for racing and still light for some climbing.
I have a set of OP/Record wheels that I use daily, and I've got an AC cassette on the way that I'll run on an old set of DA/CXP-30 wheels for flat road races or, if I race more than I think I will now, TT's. So, I think I'm covered with all but the mountains and, as I've said, occasional crits. Now, the OP set that I've got would also be fine in a crit and, with straight guage spokes in the rear, they're especially bomb proof but not exactly featherweights. Hence my careful attention to too many details in the decision making process.
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Originally Posted by MacMan
Agree with that ... but when I spoke to AC regarding the wheels (I ended up getting the 420s from Clive as you know), the AC guy said the 350s w/ the Sapim option would bring their recommended rider weight down to 180 at a minimum - maybe even slightly less. In this debate, I still think the 420s are worth looking at - they clock in at about 1450g, are good for racing and still light for some climbing.
The 420's are to the Vigors as the 350's are to the Elans. Since I already had the Vigors, the 350's were a no-brainer.

Bottom line - you really can't go wrong with any of these sets given the proper set up.

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Originally Posted by ImprezaDrvr
I have a set of OP/Record wheels that I use daily, and I've got an AC cassette on the way that I'll run on an old set of DA/CXP-30 wheels for flat road races or, if I race more than I think I will now, TT's. So, I think I'm covered with all but the mountains and, as I've said, occasional crits. Now, the OP set that I've got would also be fine in a crit and, with straight guage spokes in the rear, they're especially bomb proof but not exactly featherweights. Hence my careful attention to too many details in the decision making process.
LOL! I know what you mean ... I had the same issues when deciding what to get. Luckily in a way, time forced me to make a decision and stop going round in circles. I'll be racing the 420s possibly this weekend. For a light set though, I've thought about a set of DT Swiss RR1.1 rims - I think they maybe a bit heavier than the 350s (415g per rim), but they may address the flex concerns you have if used with the right spokes (the site says "tersion resistant" rims). Talk to the folks at gravywheels.com. Here are the rims:
http://www.dtswiss.com/index.asp?fus...ikedetail&id=8
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I've looked at pretty much every rim/hub and wheel combo out there and these are the final two to make the cut. With it in mind that weight at the rim is vital with climbing/crit wheels, it makes more sense to me to go for a rim that's a lightweight. Sure, tubular is the answer to many, but not for me. Especially when clincher rims are coming in at 350-370 grams instead of the 415 or 420 that the dt wheels and my OP's come in at. With lighter tires and extralight tubes, I'll have a set that will spin up faster than I can make them. Well, at least that's the case now. Later in the year I should be able to put more power behind them. At any rate, I've looked at FSA's, Bonty's, DT, Mavic, AC, Rolf, about every permutation of custom wheels you can imagine, Topolino and more that I can't remember right now.

Next thing I'll tackle is the fork on the bike; I've got an alu steerer fork on it now and want to drop a little dead weight with a full carbon. But that's for another thread when my head's not <warning, bad pun> spinning so fast.
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Elans!!!! I love mine. I also am very familiar with the AC's. They are fine wheels but don't compare with the Elans. I have the non Aero version. They are stiff and durable.

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The AC 350 are junk! cheap hubs little thin spokes and 1992 technolgy. i got a set for training on when i pulled them from the box i was disapointed. i sold them and bought a heavy set of Velomax Circuit to train on. a lot heavier but a far far better wheelset.
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The AC 350 are junk! cheap hubs little thin spokes and 1992 technolgy. i got a set for training on when i pulled them from the box i was disapointed. i sold them and bought a heavy set of Velomax Circuit to train on. a lot heavier but a far far better wheelset.
Just curious ... did you ride them before selling them? When did you buy them?
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Just curious ... did you ride them before selling them? When did you buy them?

Yes i rode em put 300 miles on them,bought and sold them last month.
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Yes i rode em put 300 miles on them,bought and sold them last month.
Well, that kinda sucks. I hope my 420s work out better than that!
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