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Help me understand the new 10-speed stuff...please

Old 03-05-05, 12:18 AM
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Help me understand the new 10-speed stuff...please

I currently ride 9-speed Dura-Ace. Let's just say I wanted to go to 10-speed...could I do this by getting a 10-spd RD, cassette and chain or would I need to swap out my chainrings and shifters too? I assume that the FD would be OK but I don't know.

The only reason I would consider this is because I've been looking at the Cervelo Dual. The Dual 10 comes with 10-spd Ultegra and I was thinking it would be good to have consistency. Do any of you ride multiple bikes with a different number of speeds? Is there a downside to this?

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I went from having three Ultegra 9's to one and two 10's. It's a bit different but nothing in terms of downside. Like the frames, the drivetrains are different and add to the overall character of each bike.

As for upgrading, you'll need shifters, chainrings or crank, cassette and chain. Ders can remain the same.

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Thanks! When I was typing my question, I was thinking "I'll bet 55/Rad knows the answer to this." I appreciate you responding so quickly. Guess I have a lot to learn about what functions each component has. I thought the ders set the limits and the shifters "told" them to go up or down...duh! I was also hoping that there wasn't enough difference in the chain size to require new chainrings up front.

Looks like I'm better off leaving my current bike alone. I suppose if I want to maintain consistency I can buy the Dual that comes with 9-spd Ultegra...I just hate the red color...maybe I'll find a shop that will swap out the frames (the Dual 10 is the same frame, only blue).
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Some cranks have chainrings that can work for both 9 and 10 - FSA for example. The shifters tell the ders how far to travel, so it's not necessary to change the ders.

It's kinda nice having bikes with different setups. I was all about having the same drivetrain on all the bikes for a long time - and that was good for a lot of reasons. But now, I like having 3 completely different setups - Ultegra 9 and 10 and Campy 10. Only downside is that parts aren't as interchangeable as before.

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Have to ask 55/Rad...of the three set-ups you have...in particular your ten speed set ups...which do you personally prefer? 10 speed Ultegra or 10 spd Campy?
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Just bought a Bianchi with 10 spd Campy Veloce and there is too much snow on the ground for a road test.
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Why would you even need to mess with the front end of the drivetrain (Chainrings or crank)?

I don't understand why these would be affected at all... Chain I could understand but the Chainrings or crank...?
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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
I went from having three Ultegra 9's to one and two 10's. It's a bit different but nothing in terms of downside. Like the frames, the drivetrains are different and add to the overall character of each bike.

As for upgrading, you'll need shifters, chainrings or crank, cassette and chain. Ders can remain the same.

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Ya don't even need chainrings.
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Originally Posted by incipit
Why would you even need to mess with the front end of the drivetrain (Chainrings or crank)?

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you don't.
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Originally Posted by incipit
Why would you even need to mess with the front end of the drivetrain (Chainrings or crank)? I don't understand why these would be affected at all... Chain I could understand but the Chainrings or crank...?
I apologize. Incipit is correct. Shimano 9 speed chainrings will work with a 10 speed setup and chain. You just saved some more money.

As for my setups, I like both the Shimano 9 and 10 equally well but I'm hating the Campy Record. Actually that's misleading. I hate looking at the Campy Record in it's boxes while the frame is still at the paint shop. Been there 7+ months. That's another story.

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Worth Swapping over if your 9 setup is new?
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Originally Posted by incipit
Worth Swapping over if your 9 setup is new?
I think that's a question one can only answer for themselves. It's very subjective. From a technical and performance perspective, most weekend warriors won't really notice a difference while hardcore racers will. If you are into having the latest and greatest and don't mind spending the money, then yes, it is worth it. All depends on where your priorities lie.

Me, I'm a poser. I had to have it for those times I'm hangin' out drinking beer in the 7-ll parking lot with my buddies and the bike on top of the car. Scores big points with the local unemployed chicks coming in for a pack of smokes.

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that is funny....
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Originally Posted by 55/Rad

Me, I'm a poser. I had to have it for those times I'm hangin' out drinking beer in the 7-ll parking lot with my buddies and the bike on top of the car. Scores big points with the local unemployed chicks coming in for a pack of smokes.

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The air heads would be just as impressed with a shiny Huffy and you would have more money for beer.
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55/Rad, have you ridden a Campy Record 10 setup yet? I rode a bike at the LBS with DA-10, and for some reason, I just prefer the feel of the Campy. That's why I bought it. I actually got it on a hunch. I rode the DA, and just felt a little strange to me. Then just by looking at the design of the Campy, I took a chance and went with it, without trying a bike that actually had it. My hunch was a good one, for me that is.

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I rode my 9 speed setup with everything else 10 speed (needed shifter, waiting for them to come) for a while and noticed the difference between 9 and 10, expecially the 16 gear in the rear. Now with DA10 shifters and cassette I love the bike even more.

Of course will someone who does not ride train for racing notice... it is up to you.

As to campy vs shimano... I could not tell you. Never tried campy but will on my next bike.
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Originally Posted by Patriot
55/Rad, have you ridden a Campy Record 10 setup yet?
When I was considering going to Campy for the Tete, I test rode 3 different bikes with Campy (1 Record and 2 Chorus) to see how it felt. So, no, I haven't owned a Campy spec'd bike yet but I rode it enough to feel good about buying it.

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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
I went from having three Ultegra 9's to one and two 10's. It's a bit different but nothing in terms of downside. Like the frames, the drivetrains are different and add to the overall character of each bike.

As for upgrading, you'll need shifters, chainrings or crank, cassette and chain. Ders can remain the same.

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RAD: Would this set of FSA cranks: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MakeTrack=true

be compatable with an FSA Megaexo Integrated Bottom Bracket. I am hoping I didn't bid on a crank that is incompatable with the BB that will be coming on my new bike.
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RAD: Would this set of FSA cranks: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MakeTrack=true

be compatable with an FSA Megaexo Integrated Bottom Bracket. I am hoping I didn't bid on a crank that is incompatable with the BB that will be coming on my new bike.
That crank is octalink. Hope someone outbids you. While you are waiting,go to the FSA site and read what mega Exo is.
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Originally Posted by sydney
That crank is octalink. Hope someone outbids you. While you are waiting,go to the FSA site and read what mega Exo is.
I note that they have megaexo and issis with FSA. I am still a bit confused I must humbly admit. I have never gotten into BB/crank stuff. I'm real happy with my Dura-ace crank on my roadbike, but I am trying to decide on parts for my new Guru. They told me they were backordered until June on FSA carbon cranks, and I thought I would see about scoring one on eBay, but I might be into an apples/oranges thing. If I can confirm the non-compatability, I will simply cancel my bid.
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The '05 FSA cranks only come in the megaexo and ISIS - no more octalink. '04's with octalink can still be found on Ebay and in some shops.

Who is telling you they are backordered until June?

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55/Rad is correct. The octa-link you bid on will not work with the Mega-Exo BB. So, if you want one of those BB's, then you need to cancel your bid, or hope you get outbid by someone else. They made them in octa-link for a while for people who wanted to upgrade there cheaper Shimano Ultegra cranks etc, to something carbon w/o having to replace the BB, but they are no longer produced, as far as I know.

The newer Superlight cranks come only in ISIS, and you can buy a ISIS Mega-Exo BB made by FSA that will work with it. However, if you are a weight weenie, you may want to consider the fact that it is heavier (230g) than the standard BB's made by FSA. I have the Platinum Pro Ti-megaquad, which is only 173g, and so far, it has performed flawlessly for several hundred miles now. Proper installation is the key. They are VERY stiff too, and actually cheaper. It all depends on how bad you want the newest thing.

I personally was on a lightweight binge at the time, and made out with one that happened to be lighter, and cheaper. But, I do understand that the newer outboard bearing design may have slightly longer service life. But, after 5-10 years, I will probably be getting a new bike anyway.
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