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Klein=Rebadged trek?

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Old 03-05-05, 02:40 PM
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Klein=Rebadged trek?

I was just on the klein website and i was looking at the reve, and the thing said it was a zr 900 frame, with all bonty parts and shimano witha little suspension thing on the stays

It sounded exactley like a pilot series bike by trek. So Are they rebadged?

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I'm not sure about rebadged. You probably already know this, but Klein is owned by Trek, so that may explain the similarity.
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Yah i knew that part, But it sounds too similar, like a lemond is close but you can tell the difference with this it sounds exactley the same.
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Yeah....I wouldn't be surprised.
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if geometries are exactly the same, it probably is the same bike.

Wow, didn't know about the little supsension device on the seat stay till I looked at the website.
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I have never seen a lemond tt bike, are there any pics?
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I thought the Pilot's were carbon and the Klein's were aluminum. Plus there is the suspension on the Klein. Maybe the geometry is the same...but that is a long way from being the same bike rebadged.
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Originally Posted by oneradtec
I thought the Pilot's were carbon and the Klein's were aluminum. Plus there is the suspension on the Klein. Maybe the geometry is the same...but that is a long way from being the same bike rebadged.
Yeah, they're different. And Klein still has their cabling wired through the frame -whatever that's called.
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Originally Posted by hi565
I have never seen a lemond tt bike, are there any pics?
Here's Horner's TT bike from last year.

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Originally Posted by Ziggurat
Yeah, they're different. And Klein still has their cabling wired through the frame -whatever that's called.
Why don't more companies do that? I've always liked that. Would they get sued or something?
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could that Lemond TT bike actually be a painted Litespeed blade?
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As far as the Reve is concerned, at least IT isn't a re-badge....

I just lost my nice long post detailing the differences...

I'll sumarize it again.

Reve vs 2100c and 2300c

The reve has longer eff top tube, shorter chain stays, shorter wheelbase, less trail, and higher numericaly seat and head tube angles.

Not to mention nicer paint and paint job, the integrated cable routing, and possibly better tolerances and assembly (maybe):
http://www.kleinbikes.com/us/about_k...n_construction

And slightly better components. Are these enough to make it a non-rebadge? Yes. Are they significantly different? I don't know enough to answer that. I'm a newb. I do know they felt different to me. I bought the Reve.

Here are the geometries:
http://www.kleinbikes.com/us/cross_r...try_direct_fit
http://www2.trekbikes.com/Bikes/Road...100C/index.php
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Originally Posted by oneradtec
could that Lemond TT bike actually be a painted Litespeed blade?
Doubt it. The Blade had curved seat stays, and the wheel fairing doesn't go up nearly as high as it does on the "Lemond." The blade also has an integrated headset and the Lemond doesn't.
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Kleins also have much more tidy welds, and overall just seem better crafted. Yes they're owned by Trek, but Mercedes is also owned by Chrystler (or vice versa). Think about it along those lines.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat
Here's Horner's TT bike from last year.


that thing isn't a production frame - one of those custom jobs for Horner made by the Trek/Lemond people.
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that thing isn't a production frame - one of those custom jobs for Horner made by the Trek/Lemond people.
And it's ugly as sin too. *runs away*
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And it's ugly as sin too. *runs away*
Agreed. If I were him, I would have been happier with a repainted Trek TT frame.
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Kleins are no longer made in Chehalis, WA (sp?); they are coming out of the regular Trek factory now. Not a true re-badge, but nothing to get excited about on the models using the almighty ZR9000 alloy, either.
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