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Road Rage Incident - Did I do the right thing?

Old 03-12-05, 12:39 AM
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Road Rage Incident - Did I do the right thing?

So, I'm out on my regular training route this afternoon minding my own business. The area is rural, and the road is narrow, with a 45 mph speed limit. I ride this route a lot, and many of the locals know me and wave, but there's this one peckerwood redneck who doesn't like bikes on the road.

A couple of months ago I was on this same stretch of road when I got passed very close by a beater pickup. I yelled at the guy and gestured (I did *not* flip him off). He screeched his truck to a stop in the middle of the road and got out irate. I told him I had a right to the road, and that he had to give me more room when passing. He told me he almost had a wreck once due to oncoming traffic when he was trying to pass a bike. I told him he should wait to pass until it was safe. It went back and forth like that for a minute until he drove off.

Today, the same thing happened. On a straight, wide-open stretch of road, this guy passes within 12" of my handlebar. I yelled at him, and he shook his fist at me. I gave the "Italian" salute (not the finger), and he screeched to a stop in the middle of the road. He got out of his truck yelling at me and would not let me pass. He yelled stuff about how bikes shouldn't be on that road, and how I "dressed like a woman" and other moronic stuff. I tried to be assertive, but not irate, until I asked him if he'd intentionally been trying to run me off the road. He laughed and said he was trying to brush me, and "what are you going to do about it?". At that point, it kind of degraded into name-calling.

When I got home, I phoned the local sheriff's department and filed a report for "simple assault". Unfortunately, I didn't get his license plate, but I did get a good description of the vehicle and the driver, and I wanted to get it on the record, in case he ever hits someone out there.

Anyway, I'm wondering if I did the right thing. My SO says that I should have just ignored him, and may have made the situation worse. But damnit, I'm a guy, and I've had friends hit and killed by cars, and I think it's OK to stand up for our rights on the road.

What do you all think?

Also, I'm considering submitting this letter to the editor of my local paper (this is a rough draft, written in some anger, so I may change it tomorrow):

"To the short, fat guy who intentionally drove his 80’s model GMC pickup (with a “Union” bumper sticker on the tailgate) within 12” of my handlebars on Old Hwy. 44 on Friday afternoon…you are wrong - I do have a right to ride my bicycle on that road.

I ride that stretch of rural road often, and I’ve not had problems with any other drivers (many of whom recognize me and wave). But, on two occasions now, you have intentionally tried to give me a “close shave”…you admitted it this time when you got out of your truck in the middle of the road to yell at me. According to my contacts at CHP, your actions constitute “simple assault”, and I’ve filed a report with the Shasta County Sheriff’s Department to get your behavior on record.

I don’t understand why you’re so upset and threatened by bicyclists, but you’d better get your head straightened out before someone gets hurt, or you end up in jail. Do you intentionally drive close to tractors, or kids on horses? They’re “slow moving vehicles” too, and they use that same road frequently. So, the next time you see me out near Palo Cedro on my bike, just take a deep breath, pretend I’m a tractor, pass me with 3 feet of clearance when it’s safe, and we’ll all get along just fine. OK?"
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It'd probably be best not to react at all, note license plate and report. People are crazy and some guy might just feel like squeezing a couple of rounds out.
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Originally Posted by SSP
Anyway, I'm wondering if I did the right thing... What do you all think?
If you haven't already, you might want to have a look at the Harrassed! thread
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=91410
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Oh yeah I am sure this "peckerwood redneck",with a "beater pickup", whom you "gave the "Italian" salute (not the finger)" will be very touched by a newspaper article. Why do you have to mention the he was driving a "beater 80's truck"? Would it make a difference if he was driving a brand new luxury suv? What kind of 80's truck was that anyways?
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Originally Posted by SSP
"To the short, fat guy who intentionally drove his 80’s model GMC pickup (with a “Union” bumper sticker on the tailgate) within 12” of my handlebars on Old Hwy. 44 on Friday afternoon…you are wrong - I do have a right to ride my bicycle on that road.

I ride that stretch of rural road often, and I’ve not had problems with any other drivers (many of whom recognize me and wave). But, on two occasions now, you have intentionally tried to give me a “close shave”…you admitted it this time when you got out of your truck in the middle of the road to yell at me. According to my contacts at CHP, your actions constitute “simple assault”, and I’ve filed a report with the Shasta County Sheriff’s Department to get your behavior on record.

I don’t understand why you’re so upset and threatened by bicyclists, but you’d better get your head straightened out before someone gets hurt, or you end up in jail. Do you intentionally drive close to tractors, or kids on horses? They’re “slow moving vehicles” too, and they use that same road frequently. So, the next time you see me out near Palo Cedro on my bike, just take a deep breath, pretend I’m a tractor, pass me with 3 feet of clearance when it’s safe, and we’ll all get along just fine. OK?"
I understand your pissed off, but don't make it a personal thing.
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Operator above is right on the money. The world is full of lunatics and gutless people that love exploiting their weight advantage on the road. You were lucky you got by unhurt.
Next time get a plate no. and report the guy but overall I would accept a certain amount of harrasement...happens every single day. The exception is if you get accosted twice or more by the same driver on the same stretch you ride often...then you have to go to the police.
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Originally Posted by biker7
Operator above is right on the money. The world is full of lunatics and gutless people that love exploiting their weight advantage on the road. You were lucky you got by unhurt.
Next time get a plate no. and report the guy but overall I would accept a certain amount of harrasement...happens every single day. The exception is if you get accosted twice or more by the same driver on the same stretch you ride often...then you have to go to the police.
Safe riding to all my cycling friends.
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I agree, you're not going to convert this guy into some sort of good samaritan so best ignore what you can and quietly report to the police multiple close calls by the same jerk(s).
Are you prepared to get into a fist fight on the side of the road ??? A fist fight that might end up as something else ??? Sorry to say but instead of cursing the guy out you should have paid enough attention to get his plate number to give the police something more concrete...and don't focus on the whole "beat up 80's truck with the Union sticker" thing. It could have been a "yuppie trophy wife" in a Lincoln Navigator talking on her cell phone but if she hit you you'd still be just as hurt or dead....
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Old 03-12-05, 08:39 AM
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i'd carry a gun on the bike
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you handled it fairly well. With idiots like that, all you can do is maintain a high leval of civility.

Or that is what I've heard.

I'm the idiot that's hit two buses windows and tried to kick another for trying to merge me into on coming traffic.

The scary part is him admiting he was trying to give you a fly by.
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I would let the cops deal with him. As you have seen he doesn't mind stopping to argue. Next time he might be looking to dance after the flirting is over.
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Old 03-12-05, 09:43 AM
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Sounds like something that could be resolved with a little beat down next time ....
Assuming you have the upper hand in the physical strength department
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This is a tough one. All of the above who say let the police handle it have a real good point. Not much they can do with "a beater 80's truck in a rural area", gotta get the plate! But the way I really feel is either stop taking the route or tangle with the fella next time. As much as I would like to be as mature as the people that have given the above advise, MY life experience has told me that bullies only learn with a swift punch in the nose so hard they immediatley tear up and double over in pain. You see the stupid people need physical lessons.Stupid people can not be swayed by intelligent debate. On the other hand stupid people usually have stupid friends, so yes you probably handled it correctly but maybe you should ask "Did I handle this effectively."


The other day I was in a real commercial area, six lanes, lots of traffic, Cheddars, Applebees...you get the idea. I saw a roadie flying down the road, pulling in front of slower cars, running a light and basically being a menace for the 1/4 mile I was able to observe. I caught up with him and told him I was a roadie too, then I told him the way he was riding was bull s**t and it gives all of us a bad name and make people hate on us. He gave me the finger. SSP, I don' t think you did anything to provoke this fella, but maybe another roadie put a bad tast in his mouth.
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I try to avoid conflict while on the road. However, I will report “driver” who either by incompetence, or by conscience decision, almost kills me. I was very successful one time with this strategy. The bottom line is that the cops already knew the joker whom I reported as a local scumbag with many other issues. The cops ended up charged him with 5 separate offenses, and he later skipped town. Chalk one up for the good guys!

Report these guys, if not for you, for the next person he may actually kill.
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There's no winning here.
The police seldom give you the proper resolution you're looking for. It's usually more frustrating/angering than it's worth.

But, let cooler heads prevail always. Police departments (especially LOCAL Blue Bellies) will strike out at the louder screamer. Let it be the redneck. Take the high road.
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Quote - MY life experience has told me that bullies only learn with a swift punch in the nose so hard they immediatley tear up and double over in pain. You see the stupid people need physical lessons.Stupid people can not be swayed by intelligent debate.

......no offense but you could beat the crap out of the guy and that's not going to stop him from running you over the next time he's in his truck and you're on your bike.......

Guys, you just have to understand & accept that as a cyclist on the road you are always going to be at a serious disadvantage to anyone in a motor vehicle. Playing games, flipping the bird, arguing, especially with someone who's angry enough to pull over, & fighting is not what you're on your bike to do.......

Deal with the idiots or stay inside on the trainer.....cause there's no shortage of idiots to be found

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Think about it this way.

That guy didn't come to within 12" of your bike by accident. He intentionally did it because he doesn't like bike riders and he was trying to upset you or make you angry. When you respond to such a person in any manner, you reward him. I'm thinking that this is probably somebody who hasn't had a lot of success in his life, so you probably made his whole day.

Back in the old days I didn't think that reporting incidents like this to the police was very beneficial because they didn't have a good way of recalling that information if something serious happened a year or so down the road. I suspect that computers are changeing that. Ignore the jerk but tell the cops.
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......no offense but you could beat the crap out of the guy and that's not going to stop him from running you over the next time he's in his truck and you're on your bike.......

No offense taken, that is what a forum is for. But if you are not going to defend yourself, then you need to stay out of areas where defense is needed. If a guy gets out of his truck and confronts you he no longer has a 2000 pound advantage over you. He has also given you the opportunity to get the plate. Checkmate.
I would drive my car around the area looking for the truck, a beater is not likely garaged, get the plate and report the driver.
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1. Flipping them off, while natural, is really stupid. I had one guy threaten to kill me over "the bird". He was so irate I thought he might blow a blood vessel.

2. There is just no substitute for a cell phone - preferably with a built-in camera. Please, learn how to use said camera before you need it under heated circumstances!

Speeding car in neighborhood. Cell phone call to local cop shop. Result? Police officer visits the young man's home and speaks to the parents.
Weaving car on highway. Cell phone call to 911. Result? Police officer waiting at the gentleman's home when he got there. Arrested on the spot.
You can make a difference - but not by confronting morons or, heaven forbid, trying to reason with them.
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I wouldn't send the letter to the paper but I think you were right to report him. Your incident sounds eerily similar to one I had about a year ago on the River Road just south of W. Sac. It was before 7am, there were very few vehicles on the road, and this guy buzzed me about 6 inches from my elbow. I sat up, held my hands that distance apart, and I could see that the guy was looking in the rearview mirror. And he stops in the middle of the road about 100m up. I ride up and say something like, "Hey, jackass, thanks for the room."

I get the whole You should get off the road, why don't you ride on the bike trail, blah blah blah.

I noticed that he was driving a work truck and read the name and phone number of his company aloud and said, "I wonder if your boss would be interested in how safely you're operating his vehicle."

The guy hopped back in the truck and took off. Weenie.
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I'm on the fence about the letter. There is the very real possibility that short round the driver will never read the paper. But I would quote chapter & verse of the relevant laws, using the letter as chance to educate the general public.
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Like most of us, I've had plenty of irate morons argue or yell that bikes aren't allowed on the roads. I'm always at a loss as to how to deal with them. It usually ends up in obscenities yelled on both sides and then they drive off and you ride off. It seems like there is little chance that you are going to be able to convince them otherwise without filing a report and taking it to the next level.

I did have a friend who once filed a police report after a car collided with him, and the police asked him if he wanted to press charges and he said no but he did want some sort of verbal or written admission from the guy that yes bikes do have a right to have space on the road. Don't know if he ever got it.
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Newspapers won't print a personal rant like that... it's very self-biased and leading. "..short, fat guy..."?!?

Make it less personal and more general. Compose the letter to all motorists that do not show respect to cyclists. What you wrote are the words you wish you'd said at the time and/or might say to his face later when you're not standing in the middle of the road wearing brightly coloured underwear and slippery shoes.

As to the event itself... by making the hand gesture you decided to enter a confrontation. I'm not on a soapbox here... I've fingered more than my fair share of drivers then had to take evasive manoevers when they come to a stop. The driver (while a complete moron) didn't assault you... the two of you had nothing more than a verbal confrontation. His pass at 12" was close but not what could be termed an assault. I've had a guy lean out of a car and take a swing at me (and missed)... that was barely enough to raise the attention of the police.
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It'd probably be best not to react at all, note license plate and report. People are crazy and some guy might just feel like squeezing a couple of rounds out.
Understand your frustration and I think there are a number of good points of advice in this thread. As much as you can...keep your cool, note license plate, color and other distiguishing characteristics of the vehicle and driver (might be hard to do if they stay in the cab). And I'd notify the police about the incident (note time of day, date, location) and leave it at that. If it happens again, report it again.

When I rode a motorcycle regularly, I ran into more than one pinhead cager who didn't think two wheels belong on the road but I could always get away from them...harder to do on a human-powered vehicle.
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Are you saying it was the same guy both times?

I'd carry a camera phone- take a few pics of him out of his truck confronting you and of his plates.

Skip the letter. I doubt the guy would even think it was directed toward him- even IF he read it.
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No you didn't do the right thing. But I'm a hot head too. It's a guy thing. I would've lost my sheet in a heart beat. Swift kick in the nuts.

Your wife is right ...listen to her.

Bag the editorial you have and write a more generic cyclist/motorist type letter to the editor. Good stuff.

Oh yeah, report that pecker with a plate number ...otherwise forget that too (loved that reference btw.)
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