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Made the Ultimate Mistake.... A Test Ride

Old 03-14-05, 10:19 PM
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Made the Ultimate Mistake.... A Test Ride

hmmmm... well, I've been riding my Trek 2300 for about nine months, and now my dealer is trying to get me on a new ride. I have hemmed and hawed over this for the past week. SHould I test ride it when I know I don't have th emoney to buy it? Well, I finally gave in today and gave it a spin. Wow! The carbon/ steel combination made the road feel like silk, and the DA was some sweeeeet stuff. My problem is that I just don't know if I can justify $3200 on a new bike. On the other hand, I do graduate college this spring, and I could use the money people send me in addition to what I can save to buy the thing. Dealer offered me $800 trade in for my Trek. Think I may just keep it at that price. WHat do I do? I love the Lemond, but I don't know if I love it enough to spend three grand. Any thoughts???? ARRGGG!!!
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I'd say as long as the Trek fits, ride it and love it. If you buy the LeMond, is the dealer then going to try to get you to test ride a $5,000 bike?
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up grade.

if each stroke of the bike pedal is worth a penny, the bike will be paid off after 3 rides.
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At least your dealer takes trade-ins!
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this guy is trying to sell you a new road bike 9 months after he sold you your current ride..? huh

unless you have issues with your current bike, why? trust me, I understand bike lust, upgrade fever etc.. nothing wrong with that --do what you want. but it sounds like this guy is trying to convince you that you need a new bike.

btw, congrats again on the weight loss. I'm amazed each time I read your sig.
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This would have been my dream bike if I swapped in 180mm cranks with it's 73.5 STA and long top tube.

Kysrium SSC SLs. Computer/ Look Keo pedals. DA 10.

F15 with 300 miles on it. Buyer got a good deal.

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Thirty-two hundred bucks! Whew! That seems like an awful expensive upgrade over an already fine bike. There comes a point of diminishing returns on things, where you spend a lot for a little bit more and I'd say you've hit it. I say enjoy that fine 2300 for another 6-12 months until you get that great job after school, then if you still want the bike and don't have other priorities (like a woman, house or vacation) do the upgrade. My bet is there will be something far more interesting to spend the money on when the time comes.
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That seems a little fast for an upgrade, especially as you've only had it for nine months and the Trek 2300 is a very good bike. Don't impulse buy. Let the lust cool down for a bit so you can be rational about it. You'll upgrade eventually and you'll be happy but does it have to happen now is the question. Anyway, it's just my 2¢, nothing more. : )
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Buy it! You're young, you don't need money, do you? You'll probably piss the money away on beer and girls. Buy the bike!
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Go for it. Your weight loss is amazing. You owe it to yourself as a reward. You also need to keep that motivation going. There's no better way that staying fresh and excited over your sport and a new DA equipped bike is the way to do that.
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Buy it! You're young, you don't need money, do you? You'll probably piss the money away on beer and girls. Buy the bike!
Yeah, that's kinda how I feel. I'm only 25, don't plan on buying a condo any time soon, will probably have a decent job fairly soon, and wouldn't mind having a second road bike. Yet, I would just feel really dumb if something happened and I did need the money for something. grrrr, I don't know.... it's hard to justify. I probably wouldn't waste the money on beer or girls. My old lady doesn't see much of my money, except for our once a week dinner out. More than likely, I would just spend the money on upgrades to the current bike. I think I'll take the advice of one of the previous posters and wait till the fever wears off, then decide.

edit: I'm also assuming that record inflation is on the way, so my debts will pretty much be erased in five to ten years.
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I guess the next question is: COuld I do better for the money?
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New bikes, like cars, skis and every other consumer product come off the factory floor every day.

You have a nice bike and if everything works - and is should considering the age - save your money. Pay off you credit cards/student loan/auto or anything else with interest.

The Lemond is not going to make you any faster. And next year, there will be something 1/2 lb. lighter/newer/cooler.
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Originally Posted by bpohl
edit: I'm also assuming that record inflation is on the way, so my debts will pretty much be erased in five to ten years.
Why are you saying this? Unemployment is down, production is up, the hot housing market is slowing but not stopping, the value of the dollar abroad is better, the trade balance looks to improve, oil production is beginning to increase, and all other signs point to a very stable situation for the future. Most experts are saying an average 2% annual increase over the next 10 to 15 years.
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Originally Posted by bpohl
I guess the next question is: COuld I do better for the money?

IMHO, anything that costs over 2K should be custom. Its really cool to have a frame hand-built by a craftsman, although the wait could easily be 1 year. If I were you, I'd keep the trek and upgrade when you are out of school and working.
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Originally Posted by StanSeven
Why are you saying this? Unemployment is down, production is up, the hot housing market is slowing but not stopping, the value of the dollar abroad is better, the trade balance looks to improve, oil production is beginning to increase, and all other signs point to a very stable situation for the future. Most experts are saying an average 2% annual increase over the next 10 to 15 years.
I think inflatin is here, but that there has been aconcerted effort to understate inflation. Go get a microfilm copy of the newspaper from 1975, and compare the cost of a Dodge Aspen, which was as big as today's Dodge Magnum, to that Magnum. then compare the cost of a new house with four bedrooms and two and a half baths. You'll find car prices are about 7 times as high, and home prices are about 10 times as high. then go look at the change in the CPI or GDP deflator. You'll find claims that prices are about 2.5 times as great. The difference is that the government uses "quality adjustments." The indexes also reflect changes in "market baskets." What you won't find is a comparable increase in slaries in the same time period.
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Like the old saying goes, "A serious cyclist owns his car, and makes payments on his bike." I have purchased three bikes within the last 10 months. My last ride, a custom TT Guru is going to set me back about $5500 fully equipped. It was painful, but cycling is a very important part of my life, and life is too short to sweat money.
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Originally Posted by bpohl
I guess the next question is: COuld I do better for the money?
Maybe. However, Lemond is the only builder I know of that's doing the carbon/steel spine thing.

I honestly didn't know a DA 10 could come this inexpensively on a nice frame. I'm going to look into this one too. Which model?

I'm considering a new purchase too. I'm looking at a Campy Record build kit ($1895 at www.gvhbikes.com) on a $1k frame. But I obssess over these big purchases and I'll probably change my mind 50 times before I decide. Then, after I buy the bike I'll obessess some more worrying that I got the best deal.

At your age I'd say go for it as long as you don't lump most of the cost onto a credit card.
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Originally Posted by Moonshot
Maybe. However, Lemond is the only builder I know of that's doing the carbon/steel spine thing.

I honestly didn't know a DA 10 could come this inexpensively on a nice frame. I'm going to look into this one too. Which model?

I'm considering a new purchase too. I'm looking at a Campy Record build kit ($1895 at www.gvhbikes.com) on a $1k frame. But I obssess over these big purchases and I'll probably change my mind 50 times before I decide. Then, after I buy the bike I'll obessess some more worrying that I got the best deal.

At your age I'd say go for it as long as you don't lump most of the cost onto a credit card.
I paid $3150 for my Roubaix Pro with full Dura-ace including the DA wheelset. Good stuff does come a good prices with good negotiations!
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Why pay full retail on "luxury' items like this.

You know how many people have almost new $$$$ bikes they bought but never used.
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hmmmm.. well, I do have some problems with the bike. A) The wheelset is pretty weak (Bontrager Race Lite) B) terrible saddle C) Lugs where the carbon meets the steel, but TIG welding around bottom bracket and where the head tube meets the down tube. (I know it's not a big deal, but I really like lugged steel) D) It has a really relaxed geometry, with the saddle pushed back further than on my Trek. Kind of has a comfort bike feel to it. None of these are deal breakers, but I feel like, for $3200, I shouldn't have any reservations. I know that I can switch out some things, but then we're talking about the price jumping way up on me. I guess for Dura Ace and carbon/ steel, I have to expect some corners to be cut. Maybe I'm just thinking I can do better. That link that 53-11 posted makes me think that I can definitely do MUCH better.
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yeah,

Minus out the computer and pedals and that nearly new Full DA 7800 felt with Kysrium SSC SLs was like $1600-$1700.

I wish I bought that bike.

BTW good job with the weight loss.( looking at your sig)
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I say wait a while until you actually do get your job. The world is crazy....who knows what could happen out there. I got accepted to IU med school but got rejected to most of the grad schools I really liked. Next year I'll be in Toledo, probably the last place I thought I'd end up. Yes....I'm a sad, bitter man, and I no longer trust the world. Haha...but really....I've been telling myself for the last year that once I get out of grad school and get my first real job I'm going to get the bike of my dreams (I can only imagine what that will be 4-5 years from now). No need to jump the gun. Besides, wouldn't it be cool to walk in there, get a dream bike, and toss a big wad of cash on the table? Maybe that's just me.

All in all, it sounds like you're not ready yet. I'm all for getting a new bike when the time comes, but do research like crazy before you make any quick decisions.
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buy experiences in life not things. if you need to buy a tool to experience, like buying a bike to experience the shear joy of riding, riding fast, losing weight and feeling good, always buy the best you can afford. second, always remember that you are not trading dollars for things, you are trading bits of your life. With all this wisdom my advise is to buy the bike.
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Originally Posted by bikerski
buy experiences in life not things. if you need to buy a tool to experience, like buying a bike to experience the shear joy of riding, riding fast, losing weight and feeling good, always buy the best you can afford. second, always remember that you are not trading dollars for things, you are trading bits of your life. With all this wisdom my advise is to buy the bike.
Just buy someone else's "best they can afford" for less

Then go snow skiing/vacation with the money you saved. Save up for a house. Pay off school debts. whatever.

(Forgive me for undermining new Bicycle sales)

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