Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Sitting on a saddle on an indoor trainer is harder than outdoors. Any remedies?

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Sitting on a saddle on an indoor trainer is harder than outdoors. Any remedies?

Old 01-27-14, 11:29 AM
  #1  
donrhummy
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
donrhummy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,481
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Sitting on a saddle on an indoor trainer is harder than outdoors. Any remedies?

I can sit in the saddle for hours outdoors but indoors it starts to be painful after only 45 minutes. Does anyone have remedies for this?
donrhummy is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 11:37 AM
  #2  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 35,442

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 346 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17345 Post(s)
Liked 6,058 Times in 3,129 Posts
Get a [strike]better[/strike] more suitable saddle and/or tweak your position.

I experienced the same thing when I got a trainer last year. I think that riding outside can sometimes mask a bad saddle and/or fit simply because you're up out of the saddle more than you think... or at least you're up enough to give your nether regions the break that it needs to carry on without too much protest.
WhyFi is online now  
Old 01-27-14, 11:40 AM
  #3  
achoo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,700
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Stand up to relieve the pressure more often.
achoo is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 11:43 AM
  #4  
halfspeed
Senior Member
 
halfspeed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: SE Minnesota
Posts: 12,275

Bikes: are better than yours.

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by donrhummy View Post
I can sit in the saddle for hours outdoors but indoors it starts to be painful after only 45 minutes. Does anyone have remedies for this?
Studded tires on a cross bike.
__________________
Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.
halfspeed is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 11:51 AM
  #5  
donrhummy
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
donrhummy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,481
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by achoo View Post
Stand up to relieve the pressure more often.
I do but it's still uncomfortable.
donrhummy is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 12:04 PM
  #6  
Manweiser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: CT
Posts: 139

Bikes: 2010 CAAD9-5, 2013 Supersix Evo

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by donrhummy View Post
I do but it's still uncomfortable.
Exact same situation for me. The trainer magnifies fit issues, whether its the type of saddle or your overall fit. I rode an entire season with a stock seat that had a cut-out. Then came the winter, and after about 45 minutes, it was miserable. I upgraded the saddle to a relief channel rather than full cut-out (Fizik VS series), and also had my fitter review my position on the bike. Its made a world of difference.
Manweiser is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 12:12 PM
  #7  
nesdog
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
Posts: 2,669

Bikes: Domane SLR7 Disc

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 66 Post(s)
Liked 53 Times in 33 Posts
I've had a similar problem. I just prop the front wheel slightly higher when indoors, by placing a thin book under the block.
__________________
[insert clever quote here]
nesdog is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 01:54 PM
  #8  
vasuvius
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Jersey
Posts: 153

Bikes: Workswell WCB-R-066 Ultegra 6800, LOOK 675 Light Ultegra Di2

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Prop Front wheel slightly higher
keep shifting position on seat i.e. fore/aft position to mimic riding condition on road
change hand grip position on the bars frequently
if you're doing intervals, during recovery, sit up straight without hands on the bars

I had the same problem the first few times on the trainer, but if I pay attention to the above I'm able to deal with 1.5 hours on the trainer so far. Sitting straight up during recovery phases has helped the most
vasuvius is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 02:03 PM
  #9  
donrhummy
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
donrhummy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,481
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by nesdog View Post
I've had a similar problem. I just prop the front wheel slightly higher when indoors, by placing a thin book under the block.
I'll try this and see if helps. thanks!
donrhummy is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 03:00 PM
  #10  
jrobe
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,479
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts
Sitting on a Lazy-Boy recliner is exactly the same whether it is inside or outside

The difference is that you just don't pay as much attention outside because of the other distractions. It also may be because you stand up more outside. You also probably just haven't found the best saddle for yourself.
jrobe is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 04:18 PM
  #11  
Up North
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: SW ONTARIO
Posts: 525

Bikes: P1 Domane Di2, SLR Emonda Di2, Trek Farley 9 Fatbike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
You wearing your bike shorts or gym shorts? I find that many people who say this are not wearing their bike shorts or bibs as indoors and they jump on nike wearing gym shorts. These of course have no padding and thus the pain in a$$.
Up North is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 04:28 PM
  #12  
RollCNY
Speechless
 
RollCNY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Central NY
Posts: 8,805

Bikes: Felt Brougham, Lotus Prestige, Cinelli Xperience,

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 107 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I have a theory:
On the road, we have more weight on our feet, to act as shock absorbers. Even without standing, we unload the saddle subtely almost constantly.

On the trainer, wed concentrate on circles, and cadence, and fluid, and have a much larger percentage of our weight on our toocus.

Solution: if my theory is correct, you should pedal harder.
RollCNY is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 04:52 PM
  #13  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 22,118
Mentioned: 77 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15177 Post(s)
Liked 6,331 Times in 3,587 Posts
Originally Posted by donrhummy View Post
Does anyone have remedies for this?
Go outdoors!
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 05:23 PM
  #14  
caloso
Senior Member
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 40,313

Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur

Mentioned: 66 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2719 Post(s)
Liked 2,424 Times in 1,125 Posts
I was going to say fenders and wool, but if you are in the Great Lakes region this week that's not going to be enough.
caloso is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 05:40 PM
  #15  
Mr. Thompson
Aspiring Fred
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Central Kalifornia
Posts: 59

Bikes: 91 Alex Moulton Speed, Brompton P6L-X, 2014 Synapse Hi-Mod, Lemond Poprad, Wabi Lightning RE, Wabi Lightning SE

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
I have a theory:
On the road, we have more weight on our feet, to act as shock absorbers. Even without standing, we unload the saddle subtely almost constantly.

On the trainer, wed concentrate on circles, and cadence, and fluid, and have a much larger percentage of our weight on our toocus.

Solution: if my theory is correct, you should pedal harder.
This makes sense. I have neck and shoulder issues. Two nights in a row on a trainer and ouch. No problem if I ride on the open road. Lots of random movement on the bike keeps things loose. May I suggest the OP try rollers?
Mr. Thompson is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 06:22 PM
  #16  
clydeosaur
Senior Member
 
clydeosaur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central PA
Posts: 629

Bikes: Cannondale Six5, Specialized Stumpjumper FSR & old Hard Rock

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Yes, outside you have shock absorption- pnuematic tires and your body. On the trainer, it's you with your bike frame mounted to the trainer frame - rigid. As well, you probably don't have the same tension on your muscles either. I find that on more structured, harder work outs that my but bothers me less. Why? More of my weight is being supported by my legs. The easier / less muscle tension I use, the more I feel in the seat. As far as adjustmets go, I use on my trainer bike the same model seat, but a cheaper model (aka more padding/heavier model). Some guys have the bars set higher, seat tilted more or front wheel higher. See what works.
clydeosaur is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 06:59 PM
  #17  
Dudelsack 
A might bewildered...
 
Dudelsack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Loovul in summer. Jensen Beach in Winter.
Posts: 6,587

Bikes: Bacchetta Giro ATT 26; Lemond Buenos Aires

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 105 Post(s)
Liked 36 Times in 17 Posts
Agree with folks in that harder workouts are easier on the butt.
__________________
Brevity is the soul of wit.



Dudelsack is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 09:59 PM
  #18  
carpediemracing 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tariffville, CT
Posts: 15,257

Bikes: Tsunami Bikes

Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 332 Post(s)
Liked 91 Times in 50 Posts
Focus on fixing the basic problem, as long as you're not trying to sit up the whole time you're riding (like if you're on a computer while you're riding). It sounds like you have a lot of weight on the saddle so try to offload some of that weight by putting more weight on your hands (lower position) and your feet (pedal harder). The proper saddle shape obviously helps. When I was looking for a new saddle I found that a bad-for-me saddle would be noticeable within a few minutes of pedaling on the trainer.

I can go a couple hours or more on the trainer and the saddle is not what gets irritating - it's my leg fatigue, typically cramps after 3-4-5 hours. Yesterday I totally lost track of time and ended up with 2 hours on the clock before I realized how long I'd been riding. Just so you don't think that's normal about a week ago I was looking at the clock after 20 minutes. I do stand every now and then but I spend a lot of time on the saddle.

If I sit upright on my bike I'm in serious trouble within a few minutes - bike saddles aren't designed for sitting upright. If I'm on the drops or low while on the hoods/tops then I'm good for hours.
__________________
"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
carpediemracing is online now  
Old 01-27-14, 10:33 PM
  #19  
f4rrest
Farmer tan
 
f4rrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Burbank, CA
Posts: 7,986

Bikes: Allez, SuperSix Evo

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2870 Post(s)
Liked 26 Times in 22 Posts
Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
I have a theory:
On the road, we have more weight on our feet, to act as shock absorbers. Even without standing, we unload the saddle subtely almost constantly.

On the trainer, wed concentrate on circles, and cadence, and fluid, and have a much larger percentage of our weight on our toocus.

Solution: if my theory is correct, you should pedal harder.
You are exactly right.

In fact, my saddle becomes uncomfortable sooner when I'm spinning outside zone 2 or lower, versus riding tempo or higher. Saddle is much more comfy when riding a bit harder, since more torque on the feet = less weight on the butt.

I can see how this could translate to the trainer if you're spinning or not pushing as hard as outside.
f4rrest is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 11:02 PM
  #20  
gregf83 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 9,202
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1184 Post(s)
Liked 286 Times in 174 Posts
Originally Posted by donrhummy View Post
I can sit in the saddle for hours outdoors but indoors it starts to be painful after only 45 minutes. Does anyone have remedies for this?
When riding on the trainer I shift up and stand for 30 seconds every 5 minutes. It also helps to break up the boredom of riding inside.
gregf83 is offline  
Old 01-27-14, 11:38 PM
  #21  
Slackerprince
Redefining Lazy
 
Slackerprince's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: North Metro, MN
Posts: 1,923

Bikes: 2013 Cannondale Synapse 5 105, 2013 Giant Escape 3

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Welcome to riding in Florida.
I've been looking for a new saddle to combat that situation.
You have to go out of your way to stand up here.


S
Slackerprince is offline  
Old 01-28-14, 02:42 AM
  #22  
Machka 
In Real Life
 
Machka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Down under down under
Posts: 52,061

Bikes: Lots

Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3177 Post(s)
Liked 464 Times in 273 Posts
Originally Posted by donrhummy View Post
I can sit in the saddle for hours outdoors but indoors it starts to be painful after only 45 minutes. Does anyone have remedies for this?
It doesn't help ... but it's normal.

Propping up the front wheel helps. A slightly wider saddle helps. Moving around ... sitting bolt upright, leaning forward on aerobars, sitting in a normal position with hands on handlebars, sitting bolt upright again ... etc.

And one of the things I'll do if I'm planning 2 hours on the trainer is to get off every 30 minutes to stretch.
Machka is offline  
Old 01-28-14, 03:31 AM
  #23  
Ice41000
Senior Member
 
Ice41000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 502
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by donrhummy View Post
I can sit in the saddle for hours outdoors but indoors it starts to be painful after only 45 minutes. Does anyone have remedies for this?
Get out of it more. It doesn't feel natural as on the road but will help.
Ice41000 is offline  
Old 01-28-14, 07:22 AM
  #24  
rpenmanparker 
Senior Member
 
rpenmanparker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 28,682

Bikes: 1990 Romic Reynolds 531 custom build, Merlin Works CR Ti custom build, super light Workswell 066 custom build

Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6554 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 51 Times in 33 Posts
Originally Posted by donrhummy View Post
I'll try this and see if helps. thanks!
Have you been using any block under your front wheel? If not, that could be the problem. You have to level the bike with a front wheel block or you will be falling forward. Get one of the specifically designed blocks for your trainer brand to get a level setup.

Robert
rpenmanparker is offline  
Old 01-28-14, 07:59 AM
  #25  
Smokehouse
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 636
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I've contemplated this myself...there some good thoughts in the thread. Next time I do a 2 hr session, I'll try taking my front wheel up a bit. I normally have my bike level (and yes, I wear cycling shorts every time).

My trainer sessions are very constant effort (sometimes heavy effort, sometimes light) but constant nonetheless. I look at my ride logs and they are anything but. Uphill, downhill, coasting, stopping, off the saddle, on the saddle...my rides are very dynamic. My trainer sessions, even if I get off the saddle every 10-20 min for 30sec at a time...very constant effort. That's the reason why I cap my sessions at 2 hrs, my effort is greater than on the road.

Such is the nature of the beast I guess, I've kind of come to accept that being temporarily saddle sore comes with the territory during trainer sessions.
Smokehouse is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.