zymphad

Surprised you all are so excited about 11 speed or a Di2. Maybe Di2 be cool, but 11 speed seems meh to me.

Shiimano should develop YAW!!! I'd buy a new 5800 FD and Crank 10 speed if it had that YAW tech.

MikeyBoyAz

I guess I am under the false impression that the cable pull is the same on SRAM and SHIMANO FDs, if you want YAW, just purchase a NEW SRAM red FD (10sp) or FORCE 22 FD (11sp)

zymphad

Don't think it works that simply. The cranks are optimized for yaw too and they are for 11 speed. Have not read of anyone getting Yaw working on a Shimano 10 SPD yet.

kv501

Having the 16 cog on an 11-25 cassette makes it worth the extra money to me. Even if Di2 wasn't available I'd still switch to 11 speed mechanical.

gsa103

The automatic FD trim of Di2 is a much better approach than Yaw. Since it optimizes for individual front/rear combinations.

Darth Lefty 

The frustrating thing to me about DI2 is that it could be programmed to work with any chain line and number of gears but it's only 2x11. They have further plans for it and that's good. Wonder if there will be a 105 DI2 now.

kv501

That's because with the high price of Di2, customers looking to buy it aren't interested in lower-end, fewer geared groupsets.

You have to think about it in business terms, not "what's good for cyclist" terms. Shimano is in business to make money, period. They have a top-end groupset (Di2) that is highly differentiated from the lower end groups and right now people are willing to pay a big premium for it (me included). If they all the sudden came out with DA, Ultegra, 105 and Tiagra electronic, they'll lose sales on the higher priced groups. I don't mean this in a negative way, but Shimano doesn't give a rip about what any of us want. They do what nets the most in their bottom line and for the moment that means making big bucks on high-margin stuff like Di2.

You also have to keep in mind that road cycling is made up mostly of people with extra disposable income. I'll be the first one to admit that it's not totally logical to pay $600-700 more for one extra gear and electronic shifting, but I didn't get into cycling to save money, I got into it because I have fun doing it.

It frustrates you because Shimano isn't being logical, but they aren't in it to be logical. They do what banks the most money.

BoSoxYacht

Agreed.

This thread is getting seriously derailed.

I am a bit surprised that 6800(and 9000) doesn't offer a triple crankset. I don't need a triple, and DA triples are never a hot seller, but to not offer a high end road triple is surprising.

gsa103

There will definitely be a 105 Di2 at somepoint. Probably when 105 moves to 11-speed.

With 11-speeds, wide-range cassettes and compact cranks, a 2x11 setup has a wider range and similar spacing to a 3x9 configuration (5500/6500) from a few years ago. It makes zero sense for Shimano to develop a 3x10 Di system. Who's the target market for that?

The only reason Shimano would ever develop a triple Di system would be for the mountain community. Even then, with the number of high end mountain bikes going to 2x10, I'd bet that Di will always be a double only system. A triple requires significantly more travel, so it would be a significant re-design.

canam73

Triples could have been on a Seinfeld episode.

Typically after mentioning them personal use is denied followed by some sort of "not that there is anything wrong with them".

Darth Lefty 

Thinking too narrow. It's just a servo, development to run any front or rear derailleur is no big deal once it's been invented and debugged in the first place. It could be on any bicycle with any number of gears. You could program it to have only one shift button instead of front/rear and it would always pick the appropriate combo. There is an Alfine version. There is now an e-bike version.

BoSoxYacht

Back when I got back into road cycling, I purchased a used 7sp triple bike. When I put a 13-23 cassette on a bike with a 52-42-30 triple, it became a great compromise.

The bike had tightly spaced gears, and a bailout set of gears.

When i got stronger(and because a double shifts better)it became clear that I didn't need a triple. If I lived in a mountainous area, I'd rather have a triple with a closely geared cassette, than a compact crankset and a wide spaced cassette.