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steel vs carbon... drive shafts

Old 02-14-14, 08:21 PM
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steel vs carbon... drive shafts

https://www.wimp.com/steelcarbon/

that's some quality carbon
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Old 02-14-14, 08:29 PM
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Good video. Interesting.
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China looks really clean
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But can you hang it from a trunk rack or wall hook?
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I know the result is predictable but I still would've really likes to see how us aluminum riders fair in that test.. just to give us something pleasant to think about on those steep hills.
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Now if only someone did the actual bomb proof road bike (as they do with many mountain carbon frames)
I get the feeling the carbon is there to save weight by I personally would like to have a carbon frame which would weigh more but have the added impact resistance. Then again would the resulting frame be too stiff....

Although I believe the current spesh crux evo might be the thing I am looking for. It does weigh a ton and is carbon.
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the test was for shear tension for a rotating shaft. surviving impact force is something else entirely, given the high crystallinity of CF. but I thought the video was interesting nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by elcruxio
Now if only someone did the actual bomb proof road bike (as they do with many mountain carbon frames)
I get the feeling the carbon is there to save weight by I personally would like to have a carbon frame which would weigh more but have the added impact resistance. Then again would the resulting frame be too stiff....

Although I believe the current spesh crux evo might be the thing I am looking for. It does weigh a ton and is carbon.
Yes, a carbon cx bike would be pretty close to a bombproof road bike as you can get. The all-carbon fork on mine weighs an even 500 grams with a cut steerer tube. That's a lot of carbon!
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Originally Posted by spectastic
the test was for shear tension for a rotating shaft. surviving impact force is something else entirely, given the high crystallinity of CF. but I thought the video was interesting nonetheless.
You know what would be hilarious... if they made a baseball bat out of carbon fiber! I bet it would shatter on the first hit!
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Carbon fiber Industrial couplings and driveshafts have been available for 20 years. They can be used in high-HP applications for cooling towers and other extreme applications. See: https://www.altratidal.com/shaft-couplings.asp
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Originally Posted by Phantoj
You know what would be hilarious... if they made a baseball bat out of carbon fiber! I bet it would shatter on the first hit!
you know what would be hilarious... if they made bungee cords from cured carbon fiber! Instant fatality for sure!
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Carbon fiber Industrial couplings and driveshafts have been available for 20 years. They can be used in high-HP applications for cooling towers and other extreme applications. See: https://www.altratidal.com/shaft-couplings.asp
what about industry air compressors? those would be extreme applications in my opinion. But the vibration generated from its high rpm and a loose bearing will probably make the thing blow up.
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Originally Posted by spectastic
what about industry air compressors? those would be extreme applications in my opinion. But the vibration generated from its high rpm and a loose bearing will probably make the thing blow up.
Carbon fiber can be made to withstand very high torque loads and can resist resonance well. Wound carbon fiber doesn't shatter. Two of the advantages of carbon fiber in Power Transmission applications is a high torque to weight ratio and resistance to corrosion. The primary disadvantage is cost. Cooling towers require a driveshaft that is resistant to moisture and is light enough for long spans while meeting the torque requirement.

If the application can be done in steel, that will be the recommended solution, but only for cost reasons.
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But steel is real.
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Well, it's no big surprise that the small diameter steel shaft failed at a fraction of the torsional stress of the large diameter carbon shaft. I'd love to see dimensionally equal parts tested.
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Originally Posted by spectastic
the test was for shear tension for a rotating shaft. surviving impact force is something else entirely, given the high crystallinity of CF. but I thought the video was interesting nonetheless.
True, same with glass. It has a very high tensile strength, but it's very brittle. This test was specific for drive shafts, and you are correct in that the forces going into a bike frame are totally different.
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Originally Posted by v70cat
But steel is real.
CF and Aluminum ain't fake!
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