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Old 02-24-14, 03:50 PM
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Garmin 810>800>510>500

I've got a Garmin 800, paired with Vector pedals. We're going to add a second set of Vector pedals for my wife on the tandem, and we'll need another head unit.

One thought is to buy an 810 for the upgrade, and move the 800 to the back of the bike.

On the other hand, we don't need maaping, and going with a 500, would be $300 cheaper, ( or a 510, which would be about $170 cheaper).


I don't really care about real time uploads to social media, which appears to be one of the big advantages of the 810/510.

So is the 810 enough of an improvement to make it worth getting?
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no (my 2 cents)
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Split the difference and get the 510 perhaps? It's got the Russian GPS satellite so if you're having difficulty getting a lock the 510 might have a better chance. That being said, really not much reason to spend the extra money if you don't need live-tracking.
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I got the 500 recently when the price dropped to $200. I am completely happy with it and can't imagine needing to go up to one of the pricier models. My only suggestion would be to get teh cadence sensor for $35-$40 as it helps with the GPS
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I waffled on the 500 vs 510 as my first garmin purchase once the 510 hit the market. I was turned off by the unnecessary size of the 510, and decided to buy the 500. I've been using it consistently since then and the performance has been great. Feels more like a basic cyclocomputer (because of it's size, simplicity, long battery life etc.) but has all of the other features built in. The only reason I'd suggest going to the 510 is if you prefer the additional communication modes, but if you are ok with plugging it in to D/L your stuff after each ride, it's a great computer.

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If you don't need mapping and don't care about real time tracking then 500.
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I currently use the 800, had the 500 before and had a BNIB 810 that I ended up selling.

Now why did I sell the 810?

1. Strava's dead to me and I could care less about who's fastest at which place. I ride with a pm and Golden Cheetah is good enough.

2. Real time tracking - you can do that on your smartphone. I never ride without one.

The way I look at it it's more of a side-step than a step forward. I do need maps so the 800 serves me well.
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My daughter (13) and I are a tandem team. I still use the 800 up front and she uses a 500 in back. She is mostly interested in cadence, speed, average speed and time of day. She likes a lower cadence than I do (85 or so to my 95 preference). With the 500 she gets all the data she wants to look at.

I also don't care about the social media or ability to upload to Garmin Connect through my phone. I did get a Garmin Virb camera for Christmas and was tempted to update to the 810 because it had remote control capability but an update for the 800 added the Virb.

I am waiting for a nicer screen to update (are you listening Garmin?).
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The 800 processes much faster than the 500... starts quicker, stops quicker, responds better and the touch screen is nice when you're riding. I always worried I'd fling the 500 off my handlebars pressing on the buttons.

Anyway, I had a 500, bought an 800 last summer when garmin had a $100 rebate so for $200 it was a steal. I didn't think the 810 had any features that I needed.

You are basically saying you only need a 500 for your secondary power display and I'd agree.
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If all the Garmin needs to do is display and log power, I have no idea why you'd be looking at anything other than the 500...unless your wife has another bike she could use it on or money isn't an issue. And if money isn't an issue, following the traditions of the 41, make it rain!
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
You are basically saying you only need a 500 for your secondary power display and I'd agree.
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If all the Garmin needs to do is display and log power, I have no idea why you'd be looking at anything other than the 500
That's basically the conclusion I'm coming to.

The only reason to do it different for me would be to get the 810, as an upgrade for the 800, not because we need an 810, or 800 on the back.

But it doesn't sound like there's any compelling reason to upgrade from the 800 to the 810 if you don't need/want real time tracking.
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The other nice thing about the '10's is the automatic upload feature. At the end of the ride, you hit save, and everything is uploaded to the garmin connect website using the app on your smartphone. Then if you use a site like copymysports.com, your ride is automatically uploaded to strava.

Regarding LiveTrack...it's currently broken. Garmin just released an app update and declared "no more bugs or crashes" - every review says LiveTrack crashes the app. And it does. I like to use LiveTrack on my rides so my partner can see where I am and that nothing bad has happened to me.

I started with a 510 but upgraded to an 810 as I got a nice deal on the bundle from wiggle last year and ended up paying $40 more for the 810 bundle than what I had paid for the 510. The mapping is nice, but the bread crumb trail did the job. Still, it's nice when I'm mtbing to plan the route ahead of time and actually be able to see where I should turn.
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I have a 500 that I only used for a single season. It is in good shape and has all of the mounting hardware. I would have PMd this but my post count isn't high enough yet. Let me know if you are interested.
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I can't reply to a PM either. Can you email me? $150 incl shipping via fedes overnight.
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What apps are people using for live tracking on their phones? I have a 500 and am happy with it. Never needed the 510 upgrade (especially for the headaches I read about it).
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The latest firmware on the 510 seems stable and fixes most of the reported issues from the last year. The LiveTrack issue was resolved for me once I got the latest ios app version plus the FW upgrade. Others still seem to have issues but I think that may be just a matter of getting everything syncd and paired up again. The most important issue, IMO, was the underreporting of distance and this HAS been resolved with v2.9.

All that said, if you don't need the live tracking or the direct upload to Garmin Connect, then the 500 is still an excellent unit.
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I've got a 510.

Its a solid unit. The display is really configurable which is very nice. The major downside is that the 510 really needs the backlight for bright sunlight. I've taken to just leaving the backlight on constantly. I still get 8+ hrs of battery life, so its a non-issue.

The LiveTracking is nice. The major difference between Live Tracking and using a cell phone app is battery life. My cell battery drains at the same rate with and without Live Track. Using something like MapMyRide my cell would be 100% dead after a 2-3 hr ride.
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I've got a 510.

Its a solid unit. The display is really configurable which is very nice. The major downside is that the 510 really needs the backlight for bright sunlight. I've taken to just leaving the backlight on constantly. I still get 8+ hrs of battery life, so its a non-issue.

The LiveTracking is nice. The major difference between Live Tracking and using a cell phone app is battery life. My cell battery drains at the same rate with and without Live Track. Using something like MapMyRide my cell would be 100% dead after a 2-3 hr ride.
Do you have an out-front style mount? Try a different angle, you shouldn't need the backlight on.
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Originally Posted by SpeshulEd View Post
Do you have an out-front style mount? Try a different angle, you shouldn't need the backlight on.
Agreed. I have only had a couple of occasions (sudden transition from sunlight to heavy shade) where the visibility went below acceptable levels. I wish the contrast was better but I've used the 510 for 8 months now with no real complaints about the screen.

The out-front mount makes a huge difference - for any of the Garmin units!
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Do you have an out-front style mount? Try a different angle, you shouldn't need the backlight on.
I don't have an out front mount. When I first put it on the bike, the out front interfered with the headlight that I use sometimes, so I used the stem mount.

I've got the out-front mounted on my secondary bike, so I may have to try switching.
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What apps are people using for live tracking on their phones? ....
Glympse works well for me. It doesn't seem to use a lot of the battery. My phone is down like 20% after 4 hrs.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
I've got a Garmin 800, paired with Vector pedals. We're going to add a second set of Vector pedals for my wife on the tandem, and we'll need another head unit.

One thought is to buy an 810 for the upgrade, and move the 800 to the back of the bike.

On the other hand, we don't need maaping, and going with a 500, would be $300 cheaper, ( or a 510, which would be about $170 cheaper).


I don't really care about real time uploads to social media, which appears to be one of the big advantages of the 810/510.

So is the 810 enough of an improvement to make it worth getting?
Not for your needs. Why not get a 500 (you can get it for just $180 with DCRainmaker's 10% discount)?

https://www.clevertraining.com/p-8150...-500-blue.aspx
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/ (His discount code is on the lower right of the site)
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Originally Posted by SpeshulEd View Post
Regarding LiveTrack...it's currently broken. Garmin just released an app update and declared "no more bugs or crashes" - every review says LiveTrack crashes the app. And it does. I like to use LiveTrack on my rides so my partner can see where I am and that nothing bad has happened to me.
Did you report this to Garmin?
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I've been through the 705-800-810 upgrade path, selling the old one each time. I find the functionality and user interface slightly better with the 810, but don't bother with most of the new features in it. The real issue I had with the 800 was it was getting old and the battery cycle was starting to be a PITA with reduced battery life. If one could find a NIB 800 that would be good but they mostly got blown out with the 810 introduction. Can't comment on the tandem aspect but seems like it would depend what features the rear seat wanted, such as heart rate, elevation.
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Originally Posted by donrhummy View Post
Did you report this to Garmin?
Garmin's support/customer service is not a strong suit. Even on showstopper issues, they are not very communicative, giving the appearance of denial or stonewalling. To their credit, the issue eventually gets resolved, but at a glacial pace compared to this new age of instant response times.
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