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Old 04-02-14, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by joe932
I had fun a couple days ago. My girlfriend and I were riding our $300 road bikes at a snail's pace. A bike racer whipped by us. I caught up to him and challenged him to a race to the small hill about a kilometer away. He confidently agreed. He increased his speed to lead-out speed. I sat on his wheel. At the last moment, I whipped by him and beat him to the top of the hill by several bike lengths. His excuse was that he just rode 100 miles.

He was riding an expensive road bike with carbon wheels. He is a lean 20-something bike racer, probably cat 2. I was riding a heavy $300 aluminum mail order bike with downtube shifters, toe clips, toe straps, $10 sneakers from Walmart, and baggy sweatpants. I am a 188-pound 44-year-old who has not raced since 1991. I beat him despite the fact that my chain skipped because I need a new chain and cassette. It is very enjoyable to ride faster than guys who have expensive bikes.

To be honest, I did have to stop after the sprint to rest because I felt like my lungs collapsed.
It's amazing how much R600Durace's punctuation, spelling and sentence structure has improved.
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The politician in the last election most aligned with TRUE conservatism was Gary Johnson. Guessing ol' Joe didn't vote that way.
I don't waste my vote on candidates who have a 0.00001% chance of victory.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
It's amazing how much R600Durace's punctuation, spelling and sentence structure has improved.
That did seem a bit strange. Plus he says the guy he "beat" just finished 100 miles (probably pushing himself). Not exactly chest thumping material.

I wait with baited breath for tales of exploits against riders in PT, senior citizens, and kids on expensive bikes.....
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Originally Posted by banerjek
I wait with baited breath for tales of exploits against riders in PT, senior citizens, and kids on expensive bikes.....
Lol. You are saying that an overweight 44-year-old recreational rider like myself with a $300 aluminum bike with downtube shifters had a huge advantage over a serious 20-something bike racer with carbon wheels? I'll take that as a compliment.

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Also, how do you know someone's racing category by looking at them?
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Also, how do you know someone's racing category by looking at them?
I GUESSED. Cat 3 racers generally don't ride as fast he was after riding 100 miles. I am confident that he is at least cat 2, possibly cat 1.
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I came from the day before brifters and when brifters were introduced I have never looked back or preferred DT shifters.
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Originally Posted by joe932
I GUESSED. Cat 3 racers generally don't ride as fast he was after riding 100 miles. I am confident that he is at least cat 2, possibly cat 1.
How do I finish 100 mile training rides with Cat 2's, and Cat 1's then, if they ride faster than I do as a 3?

You don't see how your comment comes off as silly and pretentious.

First rule of holes would seem to apply here: When you find yourself in one quit digging.
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Originally Posted by joe932
I GUESSED. Cat 3 racers generally don't ride as fast he was after riding 100 miles. I am confident that he is at least cat 2, possibly cat 1.
So he actually had already ridden 100 miles? Wasn't it April fools day when you posted your story?
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My story is true. If you choose not to believe it, fine. The fact that my story is apparently so hard to believe increases my sense of accomplishment and makes me feel still somewhat young.

It's as if I announced that I cured cancer or something. It was simply a fun story I wanted to share that was relevant to this thread because it involved downtube shifters. I did not expect the hostile reaction to it.

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Originally Posted by joe932
My story is true. If you choose not to believe it, fine. The fact that my story is apparently so hard to believe increases my sense of accomplishment and makes me feel still somewhat young.

It's as if I announced that I cured cancer or something. It was simply a fun story I wanted to share that was relevant to this thread because it involved downtube shifters. I did not expect the hostile reaction to it.
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Originally Posted by joe932
I GUESSED. Cat 3 racers generally don't ride as fast he was after riding 100 miles. I am confident that he is at least cat 2, possibly cat 1.
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We both approached to the foot of the climb and I was determined not to change gear. I have my power output set to 400w. roughly 19 mph. I glanced back at him and to initiate the challenge. He took the bait. He was slowly closing in to my wheel. I stood up and dropped down to my 13th gear and just blasted it up at 19 mph. Unless he has been racing, there is no way he could match my speed.
Has anyone ever seen Joe and R600 in the same room? I think not.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Also, how do you know someone's racing category by looking at them?

...we Cat 6 racers have an instinct about such things. It's how we know when to drop the hammer and break for the imaginary finish.
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Originally Posted by joe932
My story is true. If you choose not to believe it, fine. The fact that my story is apparently so hard to believe increases my sense of accomplishment and makes me feel still somewhat young.

It's as if I announced that I cured cancer or something. It was simply a fun story I wanted to share that was relevant to this thread because it involved downtube shifters. I did not expect the hostile reaction to it.
I believe you. But you did have DT shifters which are less weight and more aero, so unless he was racing he could never beat you.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Also, how do you know someone's racing category by looking at them?
He looked like Lance?
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Originally Posted by joe932
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It's as if I announced that I cured cancer or something. It was simply a fun story I wanted to share that was relevant to this thread because it involved downtube shifters. I did not expect the hostile reaction to it.
You're new to these parts, but it comes with the territory. It's impossible to post any story on here about dropping someone, or winning a MUP race without opening yourself up to extreme ridicule. Nothing personal.

Search R600Durace.

There are several paths from here, blow it off and move forward, continue to flame out, or fade away. Option one is probably best for all concerned, Option two would be way more fun for the rest of us, and Option three would be dissapointing.
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please stop using the term brifter.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
He looked like Lance?
So did you dial it up to 400W and drope the hamer?
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Has anyone ever seen Joe and R600 in the same room? I think not.
You put a lot of effort into research to back up an incorrect assumption. I would not recommend that you pursue a career in law.
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Originally Posted by coasting
please stop using the term brifter.
Wasn't there a doo-wop group by that name back in the 50s?
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Originally Posted by achoo
So did you dial it up to 400W and drope the hamer?
Well since this forum is full of liberals, make that a fluorescent 10W that is equivalent to 400W.
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Originally Posted by joe932
You put a lot of effort into research to back up an incorrect assumption. I would not recommend that you pursue a career in law.
Dude, what your missing is that you walked into a widely known forum joke, that you're not getting because you're new hear. The R600Durace quote is the most often repeated quote on the forum.

Again I go back to the first rule of holes, when you're in one, quit digging.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
There are several paths from here, blow it off and move forward, continue to flame out, or fade away. Option one is probably best for all concerned, Option two would be way more fun for the rest of us, and Option three would be dissapointing.
Please the court, let the record show that merlin has requested that I continue to post.
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Please the court, let the record show that merlin has requested that I continue to post.
Umm, merlin requested nothing.

He merely pointed out your options, and the likely response to them.
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