Avispa

I've heard so many things of Pinarello and read more. Are there none of you who have used, ridden or own a Dogma or Dogma K having feedback that contradict the greatness of this bike/ frame? Are they really that great? I am not interested in the Chinarellos, so please...

Thank you
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buffalowings

According to my lbs, Pinarello frames are on the heavy side, but they ride very well.

spectastic

what's wrong with chinarellos?

kv501

This would have been a good thread without bringing up Chinese carbon frames for the 19,000th time.

merlinextraligh

Personally, the Salvador Dali look kills it for me.

jmX

I'm curious, what have you heard of Pinarello? I read all sorts of magazines and online articles and after 3-4 years I basically know nothing of Pinarello other than the pricetag, the fact that they're a bit heavier than other expensive frames, and they have a kinda ugly fork. I don't think they're doing much of a good job marketing to the US as their brand means nothing to me, aside from being under the TdF winner of course. You being from EU can maybe fill us in on what we're supposed to know.

Avispa

Well, without going in to technical, i have heard that they ride incredible. They are as you say, a bit heavy, but the ride quality and feel are very comfortable.
It seems that bikes get more heavy when they're made to damp and void vibrations (less muscle fatigue). Some might not care or say it's solved by using other tires, but i think there is more to it than tires. Now what i think ain't really interesting, so i was just putting out this question as i am seriously interested.

Dudelsack 

They suck. They all suck. Save your money and buy a Trek.

rebel1916

They are embarrassingly ridiculous looking.

eja_ bottecchia

Get back on your meds please.

To the OP. I don't own a Pinarello, but my friend, who owns one, is vey happy with it, especially the handling.

I own a Colnago and I am extremely happy with it. I had a choice between a Dogma and a C59. I chose the C59 because I like its classic lines better and because it is no made in Asia.

mpath

Bike building isn't rocket science. After a certain price point, it's really difficult to buy a "bad" bike these days. Buy one if it fits and you like the look of it.

ovoleg

ugliest bikes on the market hands down.

Silvercivic27

They may be ugly, but Giant makes a great frame.

whitemax

I submit that there isn't a dimes worth of difference among the top tier bikes relative to quality. Slightly different geometry perhaps so fit is mostly important. Buy what looks best to you.

gc3

I've got a pal who bought a Dogma 65.1 and he likes it much better than his Scattante...

gc3

Nowhere near as fugly as the new Merckx

Homebrew01

yup

buffalowings

Past a certain price point.. buy your c60 yet?

gc3

C60 is still in the deciding process

StanSeven

A more basic question is has anybody here been self-critical of a purchase they made?

buffalowings

Saw a C59 in the shop the other day, classy bike, except the star shaped downtube profile is funky though.

Jiggle

They are a very clever company. By focusing on stiffness, they can forgo all those R&D costs other companies sink into "light and stiff" layups. Then capitalize on the history of their name while having some Eastern Hemisphere sweat shops make the frames for cheap, add a few wavy things for style points, and sponsor some pro teams so any onlooker who doesn't know any better will think they are the cat's meow.

BAM, market share and high profit/frame.

Winning.

gc3

^^^

There isn't a face palm big enough....

Jiggle

Everything I posted is true.

buffalowings

x2 seems like the same for any other large manufacturer. Talk about aero profiles, finite element analysis (remove excess material, add strength, add flexibility), layups, composite composition, tapered headtubes, extra wide bottom brackets for stiffness etc etc. Maybe add in a couple rubbery looking neon inserts for, "vibration dampening".