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Originally Posted by ljrichar
(Post 16652028)
You can't average like that. Like I said, I can do 200% of ftp for only 1' but I can do 100% for an hour. Hell, I can do 400% but for only 5". It doesn't average the way you're thinking.
Of course you can do higher efforts for shorter periods but there are reasonably well established boundaries for power over a particular time relative to FTP. My only point is that most people can't maintain 116% of their FTP for 20min. If you can you've probably underestimated your FTP. Your examples of 1' and 5" power are irrelevant to the point I was making. |
Originally Posted by gregf83
(Post 16652055)
Yes, it averages exactly the way I'm thinking based on simple math.
Of course you can do higher efforts for shorter periods but there are reasonably well established boundaries for power over a particular time relative to FTP. My only point is that most people can't maintain 116% of their FTP for 20min. If you can you've probably underestimated your FTP. Your examples of 1' and 5" power are irrelevant to the point I was making. |
Originally Posted by ljrichar
(Post 16652655)
It is not simple math. You are correct in that I could not do 20' @116% but I can do the interval that was discussed.
Originally Posted by simonaway427
(Post 16638319)
2) Breakaway drills. Someone metioned this one - 5 x 4min intervals. Each interval = 1 min @150%, 3 min @ 105%
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Originally Posted by gregf83
(Post 16652794)
This is the set of intervals I was commenting on:
In order to do this set you have to do 116% of FTP for 20min unless there is some additional rest I don't see. I assume the whole idea of a 'breakaway' interval is to simulate what you'd end up doing in a breakaway. In this case perhaps a 4 man break with everyone taking 1min pulls and recovering for 3min. The idea is pretty much a maximal effort to get seperation from the pack to create the break, or bridge to it. Then at FTP or slightly above to keep the break away, then a sprint at the end to drop your breakaway companions ftw. It's a pattern that Coggan and Allen saw repeated in power files from winning race moves. I meant to go back and look at the book to get the times and percentages they recommend, but the book's at home. |
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
(Post 16652865)
The idea is pretty much a maximal effort to get seperation from the pack to create the break, or bridge to it. Then at FTP or slightly above to keep the break away, then a sprint at the end to drop your breakaway companions ftw.
It's a pattern that Coggan and Allen saw repeated in power files from winning race moves. I meant to go back and look at the book to get the times and percentages they recommend, but the book's at home. Warm Up (usually for Coggan that is 10-20 min with a few high cadence minutes thrown in) 6 x 30 second burst of 200% ramping to 300% followed immediately by 3 min at 105-110% and then ramping up to 200% for the last 10 seconds. 3-5 min rest between intervals Cool down (usually 10-30 min at <75%) |
Originally Posted by gregf83
(Post 16652794)
This is the set of intervals I was commenting on:
In order to do this set you have to do 116% of FTP for 20min unless there is some additional rest I don't see. I assume the whole idea of a 'breakaway' interval is to simulate what you'd end up doing in a breakaway. In this case perhaps a 4 man break with everyone taking 1min pulls and recovering for 3min.
Originally Posted by ljrichar
(Post 16649840)
Don't know how you draw that conclusion. My 1' is 200% of ftp so that interval would be taxing but not impossible. You'd need a couple of minutes rest after each one though.
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Originally Posted by ljrichar
(Post 16652959)
Guess you missed this.
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The last one, of course
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Originally Posted by dookie44
(Post 16654349)
The last one, of course
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
(Post 16635730)
Favorite Interval; Oxymoron.
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I like the interval where I repeatedly evade the neighborhood dogs.
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