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Old 04-08-14, 01:28 AM
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You could probably reduce drag the same amount by optimizing the aero drag of your sunglasses.
...damn you. Now I want to experiment with this.
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Originally Posted by Elvo
80 front, 85 rear
Not unless you're running 28c tires.

Comfy sure but fast? not so much.
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I followed the recommendation of an online tire pressure calculator for a group ride last night. It said run 70 and 108 psi front and rear on 23c tires. I usually run 120 on both. It was SLOW.
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Originally Posted by J_Boogie
I followed the recommendation of an online tire pressure calculator for a group ride last night. It said run 70 and 108 psi front and rear on 23c tires. I usually run 120 on both. It was SLOW.
Did you estimate Crr and CdA using the Chung virtual elevation model or are you just guessing?
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Originally Posted by J_Boogie
I followed the recommendation of an online tire pressure calculator for a group ride last night. It said run 70 and 108 psi front and rear on 23c tires. I usually run 120 on both. It was SLOW.
Data? Or did it just feel slow?

Rock hard tires feel fast, but what makes them feel fast is actually taking energy away from going forward.

Admittedly 70psi front sounds awfully low, and likely was slower. But 108psi could be faster than 120psi depending on a range of factors.
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Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt
Did you estimate Crr and CdA using the Chung virtual elevation model or are you just guessing?
Yes? I used this. Bicycle tire pressure calculator

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Data? Or did it just feel slow?

Rock hard tires feel fast, but what makes them feel fast is actually taking energy away from going forward.

Admittedly 70psi front sounds awfully low, and likely was slower. But 108psi could be faster than 120psi depending on a range of factors.
I don't have power, and yesterday was too abnormally windy in da 904 to make a meaningful comparison to previous times/speeds/etc. What I can compare to is that I was struggling to keep up with guys that I can normally hold my own with quite well. I think I may try 100/108 psi before going back the 120.
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There's a chart for this floating around the forum somewhere, but I'm too lazy to find it and it's nice outside and I want to go for a ride instead.
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Originally Posted by LansingWes
There's a chart for this floating around the forum somewhere, but I'm too lazy to find it and it's nice outside and I want to go for a ride instead.
A+ post, would read again.
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The tire pressure nerd in me made me dig this up....

https://www.bikequarterly.com/images/TireDrop.pdf
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Originally Posted by Canadian_giant
The tire pressure nerd in me made me dig this up....

https://www.bikequarterly.com/images/TireDrop.pdf
This chart mirrors the results of the calculator I posted. Less than stellar results.
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina
Not unless you're running 28c tires.

Comfy sure but fast? not so much.
I run 85/90 psi on a 23mm tire using a wheel with 19.5mm inside bead-to-bead width. I haven't really noticed a decrease in speed but I also don't have a power meter to compare real data.
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Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt
One acoustic Watt is 112dB into half space. Tire noise isn't 70 dB which is .00006W.
OK, so how much energy is removed from rolling the bike with rider on it to make that sound?

Please compute it accurate to 1/100,000th of a watt.
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Originally Posted by RoadTire
Find a shallow half mile hill, surrounded by trees to buffer any wind, roll down a hundred times, changing the tire pressure up and down by 5 lbs, in a range of maybe 75 - 120 lbs (that will give 10 data points per) and get back to us with the data. Actually, that would be really interesting to see the results.
That's been on my to-do list for two years, seriously. It's been done for higher end tires but not the kinds of tires I use
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Originally Posted by J_Boogie
This chart mirrors the results of the calculator I posted. Less than stellar results.
So you must have actual DATA to support that claim, right?
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I can tell the difference in 100 vs. 120 PSI, and 120 rolls better. I refuse to believe the magical rolling resistance pressure is somewhere between 100 and 120.

There may be a point at which a tire can be too hard, but 120 PSI is not it.

Pump. Them. Up.
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Originally Posted by achoo
So you must have actual DATA to support that claim, right?
Merely circumstantial evidence, as I have already clearly discussed in a earlier post.
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Originally Posted by thump55
I can tell the difference in 100 vs. 120 PSI, and 120 rolls better. I refuse to believe the magical rolling resistance pressure is somewhere between 100 and 120.

There may be a point at which a tire can be too hard, but 120 PSI is not it.

Pump. Them. Up.
How much do you weigh? I weigh about 160 or so, i do 100psi in the front, 110psi in the back. I may go higher now.

I went almost 2 weeks without pumping my tires, and they dropped to 70 or 80psi in the front and back. My ride was about 7% slower that day. I can't tell if it was totally due to the tires, but I assume part of it was.
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Originally Posted by LansingWes
There's a chart for this floating around the forum somewhere, but I'm too lazy to find it and it's nice outside and I want to go for a ride instead.
Found it, an oldie but a goodie. https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycli...s-tip-day.html The ride was amazing by the way even if I did get too much sun.
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Originally Posted by Gramercy
How much do you weigh? I weigh about 160 or so, i do 100psi in the front, 110psi in the back. I may go higher now.

I went almost 2 weeks without pumping my tires, and they dropped to 70 or 80psi in the front and back. My ride was about 7% slower that day. I can't tell if it was totally due to the tires, but I assume part of it was.
200 +/- a twinkie and a beer.

For lighter guys, it's less of an issue certainly, and common sense says the front tire is less important than the rear.
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Continental released this rolling resistance data when they came out with the GP 4000S II. No information about what type of surface it was tested on:



I've not seen data anywhere that shows an increase in rolling resistance as tire pressure increases. This data also ignores wind resistance, weight, final gearing, pnuematic trail, and other factors affected by tire size.

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Originally Posted by nhluhr
I've not seen data anywhere that shows a reduction in rolling resistance as tire pressure increases.
********** I think your plot just showed that. In case you meant increase in Crr with pressure, What's in a tube? - Slowtwitch.com
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sorry, meant to type the opposite.
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Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt
Did you estimate Crr and CdA using the Chung virtual elevation model or are you just guessing?
Originally Posted by asgelle
********** I think your plot just showed that. In case you meant increase in Crr with pressure, What's in a tube? - Slowtwitch.com
That "what's in a tube" article used the virtual elevation method.
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